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Distribution: Slackware/Salix while testing others
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Originally Posted by captain_sensible
@richard-cranium
Ah.. I gave up judging people years ago and if tempted to, I remind myself with “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and to the degree of your judging [mathew 7:1-5]
but then it goes on to say all will be judged on "that day", hmmm, but anyway I don't understand the interjection of religious beliefs into a thread about Slackware, unless of course its Church of the SubGenius related.
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Patrick V is the main maintainer with help from well know members. Does a user have any right to make any suggestions ?. If user say maintains a slackbuild or contributes to the docs then ,one might argue actually Slackware to a degree is a “community driven” project. So maybe that does give some degree to at least make comments.
Not really, this only shows that Slackbuilds.org and the documentation is community driven, not Slackware itself.
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If Slackware is not dead how best to use it, support it in the next decade ?
Financially to PV via the numerous methods mentioned in other threads.
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Noobs: if you did a graph of numbers of users on one Axis and ability on another then ,noobs would be in the majority. Noob users are the life blood of an OS because more users == more popularity == increases exposure and more to financially contribute etc
New users and those new to Linux are only the majority for a distro that caters to new users of Linux. Slackware has never nor do I imagine PV ever catering to such users. As long as they have the ability to read, think, have patience and are willing to learn then Slackware is very user friendly, whether new or experienced.
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Good documentation that noobs can understand and use is one factor that a perspective user will use to make a decision whether to use an OS.
Whether yo call something “a how to “ “a wiki” or something else its all just text and in essence the same thing. There are their several sources of documentation out there recently being updated which tells me the documentation on Slackware is not “unified” and that doesn’t make sense. Maybe the docs should be unified to https://docs.slackware.com .My experience in submitting one article was only positive, in that helpful editing by Eric Hameleers was made while still respecting my effort.
See above, documentation should be straight forward, logical, clear and relatively up to date. Those features are far more important then catering to new users. It is beneficial to stop trying to turn Slackware into something it is not, similar to people complaining that Debian is not like Ubuntu, or Fedora is not like Arch. Use it for what it is and what it provides or don't.
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Communication
this current thread is really all about failure of communication; failure of the poster mx-angel to communicate effectively. Its probably unrealistic though to expect noobs to think and behave in the way you want. Making a dramatic comparison it could be said that noobs like small children have a way of getting under your skin. Certainly this one did. But I have made a case for the importance of noobs so either more tolerance needs to be afforded or to quarantine them and probably me in a sub noob/hardly any reputation Slackware forum.
If I can think of anything else ..i will add at a later date
No reason for a new user friendly forum, best way to learn is from those with experience not from a group of people who collectively lack experience. Even if you have 100 people gathered together to build a house if none have ever done so, collapse and failure you will have.
Im sorry folks, i thought it was outdated since i saw here: http://www.slackware.com/
that the last post was in 2016-07-01 and its title is Slackware 14.2 is released!, thanks!
It is okay, we do it to ourselves, even when it is a bot. The website will be updated when Slackware 15 is released, hopefully with something that allows for easier website updates. Always check the ChangeLog to see what is happening. The development is ongoing and Slackware Current is going to be a great Slackware 15. http://www.slackware.com/changelog/
The ones who want it to be, or think it to be dead are probably the only real and true Slackers, everyone else is just a 'Bobby', fixated on a savior distro.
Down with Slackware! Slackware is the conspiracy, chaining us to itself, unable to experience Slack without it.
So here's a user who's obviously new to Slackware. He wants to learn a bit more about Slackware, so he checks out the webpage, which sports a news entry that's three and a half years old. No, he didn't click on the ChangeLog link, because nobody does that nowadays.
So he gets back on the forum to ask a legitimate question, and over a six page thread the guy gets laughed at and torn apart and ripped to pieces. Thus effectively making sure he will never use Slackware again in his life. Like all the others before him.
Before Microsoft released Windows 8 with the new interface, they made a usability test with a panel of 100 users. The return they got was pretty much catastrophic, because most of these 100 users just couldn't find their way around the strangely designed interface. But Microsoft wouldn't have that, so they chose to blame the users and loudly declared that the user panel was badly chosen.
You can have the greatest product and miscommunicate it into oblivion.
So he gets back on the forum to ask a legitimate question, and over a six page thread the guy gets laughed at and torn apart and ripped to pieces.
I misinterpreted his first post as an attempt at trolling. We've had many posts here in the official Slackware forum where people declare that Slackware is dead and or on its way out.
My apologies to the OP for a legitimate question.
We're very much alive!
If you want to give Slackware a try you will not be disappointed. Before you attempt your first installation of Slackware read all of the available support material.
Distribution: Slackware/Salix while testing others
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I misinterpreted his first post as an attempt at trolling. We've had many posts here in the official Slackware forum where people declare that Slackware is dead and or on its way out.
My apologies to the OP for a legitimate question.
We're very much alive!
If you want to give Slackware a try you will not be disappointed. Before you attempt your first installation of Slackware read all of the available support material.
Where was it determined to be a "legitimate question"? Perhaps I missed that post. hitest I also would not recommend allowing kiki to sway you. I view him on a similar level as ivandi... Appears his newest bestest distro is openSUSE, before that it was Centos, before that Slackware, yet here he is again, when not trolling he defends them. Not sure what emoji would suit an apologist....
Distribution: Slackware/Salix while testing others
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Originally Posted by kikinovak
So here's a user who's obviously new to Slackware. He wants to learn a bit more about Slackware, so he checks out the webpage, which sports a news entry that's three and a half years old. No, he didn't click on the ChangeLog link, because nobody does that nowadays.
So he gets back on the forum to ask a legitimate question, and over a six page thread the guy gets laughed at and torn apart and ripped to pieces. Thus effectively making sure he will never use Slackware again in his life. Like all the others before him.
Before Microsoft released Windows 8 with the new interface, they made a usability test with a panel of 100 users. The return they got was pretty much catastrophic, because most of these 100 users just couldn't find their way around the strangely designed interface. But Microsoft wouldn't have that, so they chose to blame the users and loudly declared that the user panel was badly chosen.
You can have the greatest product and miscommunicate it into oblivion.
kiki, the info is there for those who look. If one is determined to try/use Slackware then having the ability to find basic information is a type of prerequisite. If the first hurdle scares the runner then hurdling is not the right event. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEwOJ2NPlrQ
hitest I also would not recommend allowing kiki to sway you.
Kiki and I are friends. I'm not certain if he's crying crocodile tears or not with his post. Heh-heh. It's all good.
If the OP is genuinely interested in Slackware then I'm willing to help him/her.
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