I was recently very pleased to discover that the latest Slackware Current (AKA 15.0) disc that I made was able to install just fine on my MacbookPro-- although the fonts were super small because of the Retina display-- and it operates quite well. I also installed it on my circa 2008 Toshiba it runs great.

So I would say, no it isn't dead at all but until the 15.0 release you really need to create your own Slackware Current DVD. It's far superior to the 14.2 release of a few years ago.

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@upnort "I agree with the sentiment but the perspective is from an experienced computer user." This really highlights the issue of a gap between highly talented / experienced users and noobs .

Thus I am delighted on the charter page for docs.slackware.con its says " Who can help? Anyone can, from your uncle Ed who tinkers with Slackware on his old laptop to Linux gurus with development level skill sets. All are welcome. All can contribute something of value to this project" .

I have thus added my contribution to my level : https://docs.slackware.com/howtos:mi...f_a_slackbuild

The point of it is aimed at people like myself that probably need spoon feeding to understand anything .


The only people that probably understand what it is that noobs have a problem understanding is noobs themselves. People with loads of greens dots either never had a problem understand anything in the first place or if they did its long forgotten.

@bassmadrigal what your saying is all perfectly logical and reasonable but you can't project how you think or even maybe how somebody else should think.


personally I am delighted with my slackware current 64 bit on my laptop and have no problem with it what so ever. I do emphasize however with those struggling to understand or are bit green.

Whether someone is a troll or not , should not they be afforded some courtesy at least; take the opportunity to turn a troll into a slackware user ?

I'll finally be flying out to Ghana Africa end of March so you won't see me much on here after that; but i am satisfied to at least have made my point!

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AlienBob has been kind enough to provide a -current.iso,
http://slackware.uk/people/alien-current-iso/

A new .iso is generated an hour or two after each update to the -current change log.
http://www.slackware.com/changelog/

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Yes. I'm very grateful that Eric provides the ISO for us. He also has his -current script which will download and generate a -current ISO for you. There's a link to the script on Eric's page.

http://www.slackware.com/~alien/

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This person's account is new as of Jan 2020. This means they had to go through the process of registering for LQ, confirming their email, then go and create a new post. All in a Slackware forum that is extremely active. Why didn't they just look at the threads to realize there's still stuff going on? It would've saved them a bunch of time.

I guess I'd rather believe they're a troll than the alternative...

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I'm not sure who wrote this, but it needs to be here:

Slackware for the next decade

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Yeah that's pretty decent but I completely disagree with starting out with slackpkg right from the jump. Maybe I don't completely understand it... actually No I don't since I've never used it, but it seems to me new people need to learn basic pkgtool before jumping down the rabbit hole of automating package management.

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If you cannot create a viable model of how someone else thinks, then you really cannot have a civilization.

It took more effort for that person to be a troll than not. There have been people who come here to ask questions from ignorance (Ignorance is not an incurable disease!) who have been given ample aid by people here who are not as big of a dick head as I.

@abga comes to mind as one who expends a lot of effort to help; there are many others here who attempt to help fellow users with honest questions. I've even helped people here once or twice.

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Hear, hear!!!!!
Couldn't agree more!

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@richard-cranium

We have touched on psychology on here and now i guess you are throwing down the "social science, philosophy" gauntlet.

So.. lets use your rules: Mx-angel has apologized and therefore can not be a troll because trolls of course don't sincerely apologize. .and of course you know the world is a mirror so if you see something in the apology thats maicious then its giving you a hint something is askew with your thinking.

Now i have to bring in some concepts.. science is based on "Empirical Observation" so when Sir issac Newton saw an apple drop to the ground any idea was just hypothesis until evidence supported it.

So when you say In reality we try to make a model of what somebody is saying so that we can have an appropriate responce. The facts are we get it wrong everyday.. but Civilization still continues.

I have evidence showing doubt of some assumptions. Now then lets try and make something useful and insightful from this post.


What I can see is a discord between communication between those highly able and noobs. When you can not accurate communicate , your not engaging. When you are not engaging the bulk of a normal distribution graph you might have a sustainability problem.

Now my projection is that those that keep ranting hes a witch, witch sorry that was in medieval times.. i meant troll and psychologically trying to justify their decision.

have you got a hint why i am bothering to respond ?

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If you can tie your own shoes, you can use slackpkg. And besides slackpkg is NOT a replacement for pkgtool. It was never meant to be. It's an enhancement to pkgtool.


But hey... opinions often differ.

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I agree that it is essential to learn how to manually install, upgrade, and remove packages. New users should learn how to use pkgtool.
Slackpkg is shipped with Slackware and it is a reliable tool for updating your system. If you choose to run Slackware-current it would be less convenient to manually keep your system up to date given the number of daily updates in the -current branch. The slackpkg utility and automation has a place in Slackware.

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No.

I will admit, however, that I am at least as unobservant as the OP. I missed that rather early response from him/her/it prior to my response and you are quite correct that moves the OP out of the troll category. Or it moves me into it, your choice.

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Shamefully admitting that I missed that apology from the OP, also.

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@richard-cranium


Ah.. I gave up judging people years ago and if tempted to, I remind myself with “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and to the degree of your judging [mathew 7:1-5]

I’m also not interested in point scoring . I am free however to question and open up thinking.

The post quoting https://www.orbjet.org/post/2020-01-...e-next-decade/

is a useful vehicle for discussion .

Patrick V is the main maintainer with help from well know members. Does a user have any right to make any suggestions ?. If user say maintains a slackbuild or contributes to the docs then ,one might argue actually Slackware to a degree is a “community driven” project. So maybe that does give some degree to at least make comments.


If Slackware is not dead how best to use it, support it in the next decade ?

So I will throw in some raw concepts:

What does “support” mean in its entirety ?

Support really means anything that enhances the brand or has the affect of increasing sustainability.
Everybody that makes a comment on a forum is either an ambassador or a destroyer of a brand. The Tory party fell foul to this concept when they were branded the nasty party.

Noobs: if you did a graph of numbers of users on one Axis and ability on another then ,noobs would be in the majority. Noob users are the life blood of an OS because more users == more popularity == increases exposure and more to financially contribute etc


Documentation:

Good documentation that noobs can understand and use is one factor that a perspective user will use to make a decision whether to use an OS.

Whether yo call something “a how to “ “a wiki” or something else its all just text and in essence the same thing. There are their several sources of documentation out there recently being updated which tells me the documentation on Slackware is not “unified” and that doesn’t make sense. Maybe the docs should be unified to https://docs.slackware.com .My experience in submitting one article was only positive, in that helpful editing by Eric Hameleers was made while still respecting my effort.



Communication

this current thread is really all about failure of communication; failure of the poster mx-angel to communicate effectively. Its probably unrealistic though to expect noobs to think and behave in the way you want. Making a dramatic comparison it could be said that noobs like small children have a way of getting under your skin. Certainly this one did. But I have made a case for the importance of noobs so either more tolerance needs to be afforded or to quarantine them and probably me in a sub noob/hardly any reputation Slackware forum.

If I can think of anything else ..i will add at a later date

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