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Old 01-21-2016, 10:33 AM   #106
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In order to prevent another thread being hijacked
Amazing! So, now I "hijacked" my own thread?

Look to the thread title, man! See the light? Also see who is the OP of this thread before to write walls of text...
 
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Old 01-21-2016, 10:34 AM   #107
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And that PAM lack is show-stopper, even for a Linux-friendly Company, trying to install Slackware in some portable computer junkies, used as adjacent items. Is it not useful to talk yet again about integration of some Slackware computers for Real Work, in a Company.

Let's be honest, the Slackware is very unfriendly to Companies!

All the best!
That's just your opinion. We use slackware where I work and the lack of PAM is irrelevant. So please don't make blanket statements.
 
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Old 01-21-2016, 10:44 AM   #108
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Slackware is very unfriendly to Companies!

And that's bad.
why this should be bad? (but_why.gif)
 
Old 01-21-2016, 10:52 AM   #109
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That's just your opinion. We use slackware where I work and the lack of PAM is irrelevant. So please don't make blanket statements.
Also, there, we use Slackware where I work and the lack of PAM is irrelevant. Because, after all, they payed a guy (me), to modify the Slackware as they want.

But I seen hundreds times how the things are:

Manager of Company X: So, we need to implement that new Project under Linux, and it should have a good interchangeability with the existent infrastructure (read as dozens Windows Server units).

Team Leader to Administrators: So, what Linux we use, for a facile Centralized Authentication & Co., using the actual infrastructure?

The Crowd of Administrators Kerberos, LDAP, blah, blah. And as Operating System, we suggest RHEL or CentOS as second option.

Administrator Y: But we can use Slackware! Is small, is simple, and so on...

Whatever Administrator: But, we will need, as base, the LinuxPAM. Slackware have it?

Administrator Y: Nope! But we can rebuild it with PAM.

Team Leader of Administrators: I said to use an existent Linux Operating System, not to develop one! No way!

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No one ask to Slackware to introduce Corporate ready components for deal face-to-face with RHEL, but Slackware to pass from the 99.9 of the Team Leaders from Corporate environment, you should not rebuild the distro's core components.

That's idea!

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Old 01-21-2016, 10:54 AM   #110
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why this should be bad? (but_why.gif)
Because 99% from the Linux (users) share is right on the Corporate environments. We are a handful those who use Linux @Home.
 
Old 01-21-2016, 10:58 AM   #111
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Just because Slackware forces you to learn to do for yourself doesn't make it unfriendly to Corporate IT, it actually makes it more adaptable to Corporate IT than others, because it can more easily restructured to fit Corporate IT site specifications.
 
Old 01-21-2016, 11:00 AM   #112
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it actually makes it more adaptable to Corporate IT than others, because it can more easily restructured to fit Corporate IT site specifications.
IF Slackware pass beyond your Team Leader...


See my previous post, for a opinion about how think those Team Leaders.

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Old 01-21-2016, 11:08 AM   #113
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BTW, Tobi, you aren't a Moderator?

What you guys do about this wall of Korean speaking spams?

Just saying...
 
Old 01-21-2016, 11:26 AM   #114
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Because 99 from the Linux (users) share is right on the Corporate environments.
beside not agreeing with the numbers, talking about my personal experience and the places I've worked in (one with 400 employers, another with 220, another one with 2000 and so on), IMHO, if corporate environments want a stable, corporate-ready linux distribution they should pay for it or pay a team that maintains it for them.
no corporation deserve a free operating system.

so I personally don't care if distribution X is not ready for the enterprise: it's time that the enterprises invest their money in the right place and stop throwing it away on shitty proprietary solutions.

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Old 01-21-2016, 11:55 AM   #115
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@titopoquito

I do not whine about anything, I just say the crude reality.

And I know well, some times a well grounded opinion can be well annoying for those still dreaming in a Crystal Dome.
You're dreaming that your purpose here is more than being a troll.

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Also, if you do not known, I made lobby about porting Slackware to i586, from optimization reasons, eventually to i686, long before the Team to adopt the actually i586 ARCH by default. That was another crude reality.
I guess if you complain about everything then you can imagine you've been leading the way. Do you even remember why the $ARCH change was made on 32-bit, or did you ever pay attention to know? It wasn't done because you wouldn't shut up about it, that's for sure.
 
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Old 01-21-2016, 11:58 AM   #116
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BTW, Tobi, you aren't a Moderator?
What you guys do about this wall of Korean speaking spams?
Just saying...
Tobi is a HERO for the work he's doing keeping this place clean today. And any of the other mods too.

http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...0/#post5483978
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...0/#post5484001
 
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Old 01-21-2016, 11:59 AM   #117
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beside not agreeing with the numbers, talking about my personal experience and the places I've worked in (one with 400 employers, another with 220, another one with 2000 and so on), IMHO, if corporate environments want a stable, corporate-ready linux distribution they should pay for it or pay a team that maintains it for them.
no corporation deserve a free operating system.
and they used Slackware and updated it with their own PAM builds?
I guess not.

my experience is:
except a very few exceptions where some enthusiasts care about Slackware is not available in companies. and for enthusiasts its can be hard to use it because you might experience some opposition and since it is that easy to argue why Slackware is a nogo, its not friendly to companies, on more of ubuntu/debian/rhel/centos/suse will make it.

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so I personally don't care if distribution X is not ready for the enterprise: it's time that the enterprises invest their money in the right place and stop throwing it away on shitty proprietary solutions.
as long as you do not make the decisions for the companies it does not matter what you care or not.
 
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Old 01-21-2016, 11:59 AM   #118
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BTW, Tobi, you aren't a Moderator?

What you guys do about this wall of Korean speaking spams?

Just saying...
I'd rather read those than most of your posts.
 
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Old 01-21-2016, 12:01 PM   #119
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as long as you do not make the decisions for the companies it does not matter what you care or not.
who told you I don't? In some cases I did/do.
and beside that I can freely criticize idiotic technical decisions, I think I don't need your permission.

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Old 01-21-2016, 12:09 PM   #120
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who told you I don't? In some cases I did/do.
and beside that I can freely criticize idiotic technical decisions, I think I don't need your permission.
I did not assume that you are not one of the a very few exceptions and enthusiasts that care about Slackware in companies.
may I ask how many Slackware installations with PAM do you maintain and if the builds public accessible?
 
  


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