My last post on the subject dates back to early last summer. I've already made my point with too much emphasis at the time, and I don't wish to rehash this all over again. Just to be clear: I'm happy with Slackware as it is, and I'll happily see what the future brings. The post above was a mere smiling wink at the involuntary irony of your post and had nothing to do with the technical debate, if one may call it that.

I thought wayland was bacon? We however do not need stinky foot cheese.

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I knew I forgot something burning! Wayland it is! /thumbsup

I consider both LinuxPAM and PulseAudio being rather Political Issues, more than some show-stoppers. Both being Industrial Standards, right now.

You known, The Devil Works, Inc., we dare to be different, and so on...

Still, after a massive change to Pulse Audio, who have supposed risk to leave billions of Slackware End-Users without sound, wasn't as the prophecy about The End of World.

In the mean time, looks that the little Slackware community programmers are busy to patch things and develop even bigger ones, just to support Pride-Full No-PAM, while even Our Dear Leader hearth-fully agree that today, into A.D. 2016, the non-PAM code is much less tested and much more prone to bugs. And is about essentials components of the Operating Systems.

That thing alone is well enough to justify well the integration of LinuxPAM into Slackware. Because is supposed us to use the best quality code into.

I would remark that even our friend R.Workman do not use his finger-print sensor available into his computer, the irony do that the Companies use to massive use that thing. And that PAM lack is show-stopper, even for a Linux-friendly Company, trying to install Slackware in some portable computer junkies, used as adjacent items. Is it not useful to talk yet again about integration of some Slackware computers for Real Work, in a Company.

Let's be honest, the Slackware is very unfriendly to Companies!

And that's bad. We can be happy about some notice into a questionable Linux News website, while actively we refuse to offer even a chance to a massive adoption of our beloved Distribution. For what for?

It is about a number of freaking four packages to insert into...

All the best!

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You are hard to understand, with those rattling noises and the heavy breathing. I suggest you move on to Empire Linux or another distro that is more friendly to you. It's not like Pat was an Emperor who is forcing you to use his distro.
All the best to you!

P.S.: Yoda wanted me to add that "Social skills that Darth Vader has to learn. Annoying and complaining no good way is, other people's good will to get".
P.S.S.: So if it's only four packages to compile, go on and stop whining about things the universe hasn't promised you, neither has done Pat.

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@titopoquito

I do not whine about anything, I just say the crude reality.

And I know well, some times a well grounded opinion can be well annoying for those still dreaming in a Crystal Dome.

Also, if you do not known, I made lobby about porting Slackware to i586, from optimization reasons, eventually to i686, long before the Team to adopt the actually i586 ARCH by default. That was another crude reality.

Industry standard is a misleading term. The "industry" thinks it knows best, but honestly going above and beyond industry standards to determine what is best for the audience is what Patrick has done.

Nothing already in Slackware requires any implementation of PAM to build. Things like PAM are critical for things, but only a small spectrum of usage requires it, which means it's audience is small and limited.

Yes, using Slackware in Corporate IT without secondary setup is a dream, but you have options that include rsyncing sources, rebuilding packages using internal standards to the site and network, and maintaining an in-house standardization fit for your business. Slackware's entire source is free to download, change, redeploy, and maintain for private and public usage.

I don't understand why everything must be done by the distribution? SBo requires you build packages, and if you want extended functionality in the main Slackware packages, you must rebuild them. Even Gentoo/Funtoo are classed as industry standard, but you have to often use a lot of masking of packages to get anything to build if you want certain things. That really makes it no different than Slackware but people don't whine about it.

You cannot differentiate between what you call "reality" and what is your opinion. And no, just because you have a thought it does not necessarily mean it resembles reality. And no, neither does stating that it was reality make it more real.

everything vs PAM, we had this more than once, you got it explained from many persons here ...

I know that you are somehow resistant against facts, but the whining about that people whine is to whine so why don't you stop whine

ps : Gentoo/Funtoo are classed as industry standard wow ... could it be that you missed that all the cool kids with rolling release classed industry standard distributions are nowadays on arch

And what make you to be so sure that you can differentiate between what you call "reality" and what is your opinion?

BTW, happens to earn my food by maintaining a PAMified fork of Slackware, needed by a Company for some internal applications, so is no need to invite me to use PAM sine-die, like as you arrogant purposed. Please, use arguments to, instead.

Then maintain your thing and stop trolling. Pat has not added PAM to Slackware. That is reality. And if I have to decide who gets more credibility points from me, that is not even the faintest question. And so, welcome to the Slackware reality. If you do not like it, you may move on.

Darth, is this available somewhere, so others can use it? May be those who want PAM can even contribute?

The single one into this thread who I see trolling is right you.

And you miss something, my German friend. This Forum is not your little German town, and I, I'm not a whatever poor Syrian emigrant asking for work, into your town, to who to yell "This is German reality! You don't like, go home!". I have news for you:

Is my freedom to make there lobby even for Slackware to adopt NTOSKernel, for my whatever reasons. You, my friend, if you enter in one of my threads, please come with arguments, against or pro, BUT please leave the likes of "This is German reality! You don't like, go home!" for your real life. I'm not impressioned.

All the best!

If we talk about what I work, it is a in-house developed distro, for Company's internal use. And I do not know about any plans to publish it.

You known, it is their distro, NDA, so on...

Also, I do not agree with being public available of as Yet Another Slackware-derived Distribution.

I for one, I believe that all of us should concentrate into supporting right on the true Slackware, for the Greater Good.

Congratulations Darth Vader. You are the first to receive the memo:

MEMO

This is an automated reply from the Bullsht Detector at Slackware LQ.

Your recent posts contained troll-like characteristics which resembles the type of message sent by spoiled whining little children in the Chocolate Factory, systemd, Gnome3 and Phoronix forum fanbois who have recently inhaled Lennart Poetterings foul rantings, or mindless sheeple who want their OS to do everything for them and don't give a crap about compiling and configuring a system to suit their own personal needs.

In order to prevent another thread being hijacked, and to send your message to the appropriate department for response (FOAD, GTFO, STFU, YAAFM or The Bus To No Freedom of Choice in Linux Is Leaving - Be Sure You're Under It), kindly read the following questions and decide which one or ones apply to you:

1. Are you using Slackware expecting it to be like Windows, Mac or Ubuntu and it's derivatives?

2. Have you ever read the Slackware documentation explaining what this OS is about and it's philosophy?

3. Did you realize that you were going to have to get your hands a little dirty under the hood and learn about config files, compiling Slack.Builds for packages that aren't included in the release distro and search through some great repositories for pre-compiled packages before installing Slackware?

4. Do you know that along with Gentoo, Slackware is probably the most customisable GNU/Linux distro still out there and you can make it into what you want it to be (DE, init system, etc.)?

5. Do you know that if you want to run Slackware with systemd and pam that you can and if you don't like PulseAudio that you can easily keep ALSA as your audio output handler or that you can remove it by spending a few minutes work?

6. You are here on Slackware LQ so you should know that there are many experienced users here along with the Slackware team if you need help making your system the way you want it, and if you don't receive help is it because you didn't ask explain your problem correctly and give pertinent information or have been rude previously, troll threads and generally have a bad tone and attitude on this Forum.

7. If your complaint is about what Pat and the team included or didn't include in Slackware, you do know that you can fork Slackware and start your own project, making the OS you want and have it the way you like it?

8. Do you realize that Pat has the final say about everything, not the end user. Pat is the BDFL and what he says goes. Praise Bob!

If you don't like things the way they are in Slackware then I suggest finding a new distro, otherwise, starting acting more like ESR and embrace the challenges and look for solutions to problems and be less like a whining baby who spat the dummy when people didn't like his applications, coding or implementation of his applications.

Slackware still stands for freedom of choice in Linux, unlike some other major distros that have kowtowed to Red Hat and upstream to take away your choices and conform to their agenda.

Consider yourself served and have a pleasant day.


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