Some people do, others don't. I like Linux because it forces you to learn what you're doing, point and click doesn't teach you anything.

PnC is for lazy people who refuse to learn what something can do (there is a reason people who use Linux know more about their OS than windows users)

yes! but I like the hand-made-job on my linux box :P

M

if you are a company owner probably you like the idea that a linux based system can be free as beer (or at least it costs as you want to donate) and basically is not your work to know the system but the sys admin's one!
a point and click solution can always help diffusion of linux and gives a lot of help for small business companies, not only to some not-young-people-that-likes-to-use-a-pc. I don't see the "dark side of point&click", as long as it leaves the sys admin free to jump in his cli and manage the system with easy.
not always people is lazy, many other times people is spending their precious time in their own business , which is not to be a sys admin.

M

(ok my english is really terrible... I need some lessons :P)

This is just absurd and blatantly judgemental.. There are many people I know who just want to get on with their work who prefer a PnC environment, and I promise you, by no definition of the word are they in any way "lazy". Just because they have no interest in digging into their OS, and prefer instead to spend their schedule doing other tasks, does not reflect the dispersion that you have cast upon them.

For me I have tried both and stick with Slackware and Centos. I have tried fedore but never really liked it since Centos is out and it is alot more stable then any Fedore system will ever be. Gentoo is great for learning and really tweaking your system if you got lots of time to spare but for production systems I prefer Slackware or Centos for server. For Desktop I prefer Slackware cause I tune it just the way I like and it works with all kinds of hardware even older P2's with 128 megs of ram if you use Xfce. With the other Distro's I hardly ever have to recompile a kernel but when I was using Gentoo I always did. I just got tired of waiting for programs to complie. Like if you wanted to try something new you let portage go then wait and wait till you can try out the new program. With Slackware it's justs as fast to install a program as it's to remove it.
I just got tired of Gentoo and wanted something more stable but if you have lots of time give Gentoo a try.

Well, Gentoo is precisely what it's intended to be so I don't think it's fair to knock it for not being something else (if that made any sense). It would kinda be like complaining that you left Slack because there was no tool native to the distro that handled package dependency checks. People should by now know that about Slack, and surely anyone who spent the time to get Gentoo on their system realizes it is a source based distribution, which by definition means time spent compiling packages.

Speak for yourself there fella.

ok, I need point and click

Hi!Gentoo rulez!
Best way for people who wanna create their machine!(LFS is the next step)
I think U can`t compare a Source Distri with an Non spurce Distri sry
Forget that al and take Open BSD
Gentoo has the real best Documetation site (a lot to learn) and it takes time if U start not with the 2006 Live CD and prefer the real way from stage 1 up to 3.This Live CD and Live Installer is bullshit.Doesn´t work correctly.From the minimum install up to stage 3 is great but not easy.
So take Gentoo read a lot in their Docu and learn some very important linux stuff.(if ya wanna know how and why Your System works)

LG Beowulf from Vienna

I don't think that Cpoc is knocking Gentoo, he is telling it as it is. Gentoo is a great distro if you want to compile everything for your system architecture but I found that I spent more time compiling stuff (emerge update world took overnight) and doing admin than actually using the box. And the speed gains from optimising for your architecture are minimal. Slack was almost as fast on the same box!
For a home desktop where the user wants to get some work done rather than play with Linux, I just think Slack is a better option.

Maybe I'll try Gentoo again some time for fun, but it won't be my working distro!

zzz...
I still don't get what exactly is gentoo supposed to "teach" that we don't already know... (running it btw, fine distro, but overrated by fanboys)
The old link for a good (but firendly) laugh --> http://funroll-loops.org/

I suppose I was forced to compile a kernel, which I'd never done, and I learned to configure ALSA instead of having it done for me. And I built up a customized Fluxbox DE from scratch. But yes! I could have done any of those things in Slack, or most other distros come to that.

Totally agree with you

@mannyslack

Another amusing article:

http://greenfly.org/mes.html

It is also a couple of years old, but still funny.

mannyslack and rkelson; I've looked at your links. Very amusing. My favourite is from greenfly.org;