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Originally Posted by Alien Bob
Can you please stop derailing threads with your trolling? Let the people in the thread have their discussion and do not reply unless you have something constructive to say.
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I said my piece in the other thread. I have not yet checked it but it seems to have gotten locked.
But, as usual, I was 100% right.
The era of people now having to "Hope" that the traitor, the scum they let inside behaves has long begun. Wheras my valiant hyperloathing of IGOR and energy vampires like him would create a consecrated space where their unlife cannot thrive, all without having to be a moderator, or whatever. Simply by aura alone.
The harm never comes from people full of righteous, valiant and honest hatred toward antagonists, but always from peacemakers, after all, that's what we all fear, right?
Both on the internet and real life.
Can't say nothing because "that would create bad effects" a "bad reality", "bad thing will happen if you stick out your head and protest and deride the evil that comes to us".
But who would induce any bad effects? Who would?
Who kicks down doors? Who starts wars? Who creates bad effects?
The local town militia staring down an invader? Or the entire chain of command of peacekeepers who put an long poisoned and perverted idea of 'law' and 'integrity' over actual assessment of harm or not?
It is the peacekeepers who create actual harmful effects in that case. They are the ones that ban your account, they're the ones that jail you, etc.
I wouldn't ban IGORs account, Ican't even do that. I don't have the administrative rights! But I, and everyone else here could adopt the stance of valiant, unironic hyperhostility.
Which has no drawback at all, there is no downside to it, UNTIL the lawmakers step in because 'it goes both ways and we must treat people equally', which is not true, and embracing the fact that it is not true is also not harmful, but I will get on that in a moment.
The drawbacks, the shuffling of feet and tough decisions about having to have 'integrity' comes from lawmakers and peacekeepers who want to follow it, otherwise my valiant rebuking of IGOR and his kind would have no ill effect.
But since things are all messed up, this causes ME! A 100% by default ally of Slackware and its community, to become an antagonist who must be deal with because otherwise 'the sanctity, the integrity of the 'law'" is compromised.
This is 100% a peacekeeper and lawmaker problem, not mine, because, again. Pertaining to Slackware, there would be ZERO drawbacks to pure and unceasing outspoken hatred of IGOR and a complete denial of any and all cooperation with him.
"But what if Slackware (or any community) becomes an echo chamber?"
That too is a warped pretense, because not all 'echo chambers' are created equally.
Our 'echo chamber' is a proven system that works 100%, if we were to remain an echo chamber like we were before IGOR then we could continue pretty much eternally.
Even under the heavy restraints our encapsulation would entail, it would still work. Limitations can be overcome and worked with in a closed system by the people living therein.
Go ask the Follin Brothers about limitations on sound chips, for example. They'll blow your ears away with 4 channels or less. )
But! Malignant groups, inverted, perverted and insane groups, like IGOR, they would not be a self perpetuating 'echo chamber'.
Parasites, even if they come in enclosed groups can only plot amongst themselves the best way to infect others, lest they die out. So a parasitical echo chamber, an echo chamber of the sick and twisted, cannot be compared to an 'echo chamber' that is a functioning system. So this worry about echo chambers is meaningless.
If a closed system is attractive enough for any parasite to jab its proboscis into it, then any lack of this parasite, will never have any negative effects.
Despite wishing for the death of IGOR and co, I do not condone violence against him, I merely hope he tries to become a record holder in "most krokodil injected in one hour" and other such things.
But!
If, before any of us meeting IGOR, before he could have reached us, if before any of us knowing him, he became immortal, fell into a ravine with his eyes impaled on sharp rocks while being half submerged in a naturally occuring acid pool, forever screaming in utter anguish and unable to taste the relief of death, then we would be none the wiser.
Our 'echo chamber' system, our well oiled machine would still have ran perfectly. We would have woken up like any other day, none the wiser.
That is because we never needed IGOR, even if he some day wisens up, we have proven that we have the people who behave, who aren't asshats (myself included, if any of you disagree, again, you can and WILL only feel the sting of my truth by the reality that follows, I need to do nothing else for that. IGOR and his kind will)
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So why risk an IGOR? Because "don't burn bridges? You might need help at some point?"
Well, that too is kind of a bum deal, isn't it?
A reallife example, the sentinelese tribe which I have come to adore and love muchly.
They are hyperxenophobic ultrafascists, utterly full of hatred toward others whom they attack pretty much always on first sight.
They live in the stone age, basically (well okay, a hint of iron age now), have no amenities other than the ones the land and their toil provides, but they are living it out okay.
But let's say one day their island experiences some sort of calamity, and they suddenly go. Okay, we need help, let's go out and find people who help!
First reaction might be "Yeah no, you were assholes to us every time we sent someone over you shot them." and that's fair, but also:
They never did any invasions to my knowledge, and,...here is the important part:
If the only way to get help for a ONE TIME calamity is to prefix it with an overall weakness beforehand by compromising immune systems, by letting in poisons and traitors, then that's a bum deal if you ask me.
And reallife shows that true calamities don't happen as often as the eternal grind of subterfuge, treason, snake oils, lies, etc harms the overall health of everything.
So, yeah, there are zero bad effects when it comes to hostility, especially since my stance is purposefully hyper extreme for brevity (and my posts are usually very long anyway), if I were more subtle then I would have to cover more bases.
There are of course considerations like "allies" but they should always be secondary, the important thing is, there are no bad effects to be had, until lawmakers step in who now work in the hijacked and compromised notion of "gotta be fair", when that means nothing, criminals aren't fair, protagonists aren't fair. (I'm not fair either, I'm merely right. )
And the solution to actual reallife problems is getting that through. It is the peacemakers that must be reconciled, it's the lawmakers that must be reconciled, only then can we break out of this circle of destruction.
Yes, there will be 'casualties' on the entire spectrum of casuality (including IGOR not being able to troll), but, in this day and age where so many actually evil people cite "evolution" as a point to destroy language, to taint law and culture, I would like to remind those and everyone else that the biggest strength of this virtuous evolution is:
The failures must die out.
But in our tainted system, the crippled, degenerated words immediately become added to dictionaries now, the exploiters, the scum, the sheming skulking bastards of the world are included lickety snap because "human rights, law" etc, which are good things, but they should be below biology.
A functional system needs no needless foreign meddling.
Disagree? Why, then chug some immunosuppressants and jump into a sewage tank. See how that goes.
I speak only truths, the finer details I gloss over and would theoretically weaken my position are irrelevant in the actual good my stance would do, disagreement with me is swiftly (or in some cases over a long time, and slowly, but surely) delivered by reality.
I don't have to be a peacekeeper for this promise to hold, because, again, truth.
But the peacekeepers, again, must sweat now, must work in the tainted context of law. Poor moderators. Poor reallife people.
Will the chain that goes from simple joe sixpack all the way to the leaders of other nations ever be cleansed? "yeah I agree with you and I'm a peacekeeper locally, but the guys over there don't agree"
It must be fixed.
I am not the problem, what I say is true, valiant, and highly curative with very few drawbacks.
The status quo is, the moment you enter or maintain it: "Now I have to pray that things still work out, thankfully I'll be dead eventually then I won't have to deal with it."
100% true and demonstrable in the world.
Can we have world peace at one point by embracing some degree of valiant hostility? I sure hope so.
Never suffer the parasite to live, and really, the biggest problems in our lives are in our heads, thats where the pity for IGOR and co is generated, and that's where the biggest venue of attack is.
IT's not Mongols at the gate, it's not Ottomans at the outset. It's ideas and thoughts.
Very fortunate, since all it takes for a thought to change, is the thought.
When I say parasite, I mean parasite, you don't have to physically harm them.
In fact, my solution is almost 100% based on inaction. (Of course hostility is part of it too)
If they were not parasites then they would survive even without action on our part, without feeding, without coddling, without aid.
But they can't, can they.
QED.
Not a single bullet needed.
-- I have to conclude that the detractors of Slackware (not naming names), but it seems to me that they seem to have some sort of hidden masochism about Slackware in the first place, at least that is my interpretation. Since I get the impression that Slackware does not satisfy their needs, and it seems that Slackware is somehow below par; then obviously the logical conclusion is to just leave already and use a different distro; but again we are not dealing with pure logic here but rather emotion; hence why also the lack of just moving on to a different distro that would suit their needs.
. Two weeks after the patch came out, rather than posting a simple reminder that the patch was available, you attacked Pat and Eric talking about "getting this brain damage repaired". Even after that, Pat still incorporated your fix. Sometimes things slip through the cracks and a simple reminder would be enough, but no, you gotta go with "getting this brain damage repaired".
