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He's probably just been away from things for a while and thought he'd ask the knowledgeable and friendly community what was going on, many of whom took it upon themselves to call him a troll.
People can have past contributions and still be trolls. Look at ivandi...
To come onto a very active forum, ignore all the posts (including the *very* active "Requests for -current" thread), and then create a poll on that subforum (including an "undead" option), I don't see how it could be anything other than a troll.
People can have past contributions and still be trolls. Look at ivandi...
To come onto a very active forum, ignore all the posts (including the *very* active "Requests for -current" thread), and then create a poll on that subforum (including an "undead" option), I don't see how it could be anything other than a troll.
Well, for a software to be "undead" probably is to be sink on the development Hell.
From what I read, this term of "development Hell" describes a state of never ending development of a software, never reaching its target, i.e. a certain stable release.
I'm not sure who the collective "we" is that you're referring to. I wasn't aware that Slackware was an exclusive club? I used Slackware through 13.37 to 14.1 (last year I was bored during lockdown and installed 14.2 for a test run and it's as solid and dependable as ever) and never thought of it in this way. I don't believe Pat has ever set out to exclude anyone, so I have to conclude that the quote above is very much your philosophy and not the project's.
The diatribe really tells a sad tale about your powers of observation. Aren't the reading-averse and the thinking-shy completely excluded out by the Slackware installer? https://docs.slackware.com/slackware:install
All the good luck on planet Earth would not help someone trying to wing that.
If you've never installed Slackware or used a distribution that makes use of a non-graphical installer, you may feel a bit overwhelmed at first. Don't panic! The installation is very easy once you understand it, and it works on just about any x86 platform.
Partitioning is probably the only difficult step. I've come across many new users who reused a previous installation's partitions or just used gparted live.
Aren't the reading-averse and the thinking-shy completely excluded out by the Slackware installer?
Not sure about the "completely excluded" part but I do recall seeing a post by Mr. Volkerding in another thread in these forums in which he stated that in order to install Slackware, one would need to "be able to read". Anyone who has installed Slackware would be able to confirm that. If you have an OS preinstalled, that isn't necessary.
People can have past contributions and still be trolls. Look at ivandi...
Maybe you should say 'be declared trolls'. Posts that create a chuckle (this thread is quite entertaining) for some, can put up the heckles for others. It all depends on who takes/has the moral high ground; this determines one's fate as a 'troll' or not. Ivandi was very entertaining, thanks for mentioning him. Making jokes or express ideas in your non-native language is not easy. But to (be) shut up for that reason?
That the OP has contributed could be an obvious sign that the person cares about Slackware and by raising this undead thread brings forth issues that have been consistently bugging people here; like the standing of the slackware.com web site. And, in that way, we can all repeat ourselves and feel relevant. What more does one need to feel not undead in times of lockdown? Hail the troll.
Maybe you should say 'be declared trolls'. Posts that create a chuckle (this thread is quite entertaining) for some, can put up the heckles for others. It all depends on who takes/has the moral high ground; this determines one's fate as a 'troll' or not. Ivandi was very entertaining, thanks for mentioning him. Making jokes or express ideas in your non-native language is not easy. But to (be) shut up for that reason?
That the OP has contributed could be an obvious sign that the person cares about Slackware and by raising this undead thread brings forth issues that have been consistently bugging people here; like the standing of the slackware.com web site. And, in that way, we can all repeat ourselves and feel relevant. What more does one need to feel not undead in times of lockdown? Hail the troll.
As far as I am concerned, the fact that the issue has been raised, repeatedly, over the years, means it is an issue that needs to be addressed and fixed, rather than community members saying "it is what it is" and lambasting anyone who points it out again. It is a genuine issue, but the community has just got used to it, and see it as a quirk rather than an actual problem [and it is both of those, rather than just one]. In fact, I think it's got to the point where the community don't even see it as an issue. Taking some time away from here makes one realise how ridiculous some of the comments in this thread are - if the community really cared about Slackware - rather than itself - it would take serious steps to rectify the problem, rather than back-patting each other and just upvoting each other's comments. This place should act like a responsible community rather than an incestuous commune.
That said, I know there are some people who have made serious offers to take ownership of updating the website, which have gone nowhere, unfortunately. But another good step is for the people not to jump on newer posters and call them trolls because they voice a genuine concern. A good progression would be, rather than to say to new posters "did you not search, troll troll" etc, an alternative such as, "we know - we have tried to take steps but they have not worked as we would have liked, and we have just accepted this problem as part of the distribution, but your suggestions on how to move forward and change this are welcome."
Last edited by Lysander666; 02-07-2021 at 10:03 AM.
As far as I am concerned, the fact that the issue has been raised, repeatedly, over the years, means it is an issue that needs to be addressed and fixed
Sure. Let's have a look to OP.
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It looks like the last release was in 2016... seems about 4 and 1/2 years since that release...
Yes. Indeed.
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is Slackware still getting updated?
Seriously ? Isn't there a few sticky posts ?
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Should I try to install it on a new laptop?
Seeing all the posts in Linux general and others about distro hoping/choosing, shall we add something here ? Has it to be serious, balanced and helpfull ?
I try to be helpfull when I think that matters. This thread is not of that kind for me.
Maybe you should say 'be declared trolls'. Posts that create a chuckle (this thread is quite entertaining) for some, can put up the heckles for others. It all depends on who takes/has the moral high ground; this determines one's fate as a 'troll' or not. Ivandi was very entertaining, thanks for mentioning him. Making jokes or express ideas in your non-native language is not easy. But to (be) shut up for that reason?
That the OP has contributed could be an obvious sign that the person cares about Slackware and by raising this undead thread brings forth issues that have been consistently bugging people here; like the standing of the slackware.com web site. And, in that way, we can all repeat ourselves and feel relevant. What more does one need to feel not undead in times of lockdown? Hail the troll.
Trolling is the act of inciting negative emotional responses. This poster had every intention on doing this as has ivandi in the past. You can't seriously look at their post and think it was someone who was genuinely curious (as dissected by Tonus).
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Originally Posted by Lysander666
As far as I am concerned, the fact that the issue has been raised, repeatedly, over the years, means it is an issue that needs to be addressed and fixed, rather than community members saying "it is what it is" and lambasting anyone who points it out again. It is a genuine issue, but the community has just got used to it, and see it as a quirk rather than an actual problem [and it is both of those, rather than just one]. In fact, I think it's got to the point where the community don't even see it as an issue. Taking some time away from here makes one realise how ridiculous some of the comments in this thread are - if the community really cared about Slackware - rather than itself - it would take serious steps to rectify the problem, rather than back-patting each other and just upvoting each other's comments. This place should act like a responsible community rather than an incestuous commune.
That said, I know there are some people who have made serious offers to take ownership of updating the website, which have gone nowhere, unfortunately. But another good step is for the people not to jump on newer posters and call them trolls because they voice a genuine concern. A good progression would be, rather than to say to new posters "did you not search, troll troll" etc, an alternative such as, "we know - we have tried to take steps but they have not worked as we would have liked, and we have just accepted this problem as part of the distribution, but your suggestions on how to move forward and change this are welcome."
Yes, everyone knows the website is out of date. There's nothing we can do about that.
If OP had any smarts about them, they would've seen the site and thought, "Oh crap, is Slackware dead?" Then they'd pop onto the forum ready to ask the question here. But then they get to the forum and see all the activity. "Maybe I should read a few posts that seem pertinent." and then come across the Requests for -current 14.2 -> 15.0. "Hey, the last release I saw was 14.2... let's see what this 15.0 is they're talking about." But no, they ignored every sign on this forum that Slackware is alive, just lacking a recent release and then come and post a stupid question. That is either ignoring every obvious sign that Slackware is being updated or they're trolling. I can't imagine someone is that dense to miss the activity in the forum, so I have to conclude they're trolling.
It's one of two options. They're so braindead to miss the activity in the forum or they're trolling. There's no in between. This is me looking on the bright side of things. I imagine OP is smart and inciting an negative emotional response (trolling) instead of just being dumb
Now, if they were strictly concerned about the lack of a new release, they could've posted a question like "Is Slackware no longer doing releases?", "Have they moved to a rolling release?", etc, but nope... "Is Slackware dead in 2021?"
This thread should be closed like what happened with most of the others...
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