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But I'm afraid I'll have to disagree with you there.
While it may be true that the greatest majority of Linux distributions are all headed down the same road... and that the differences between, say, Debian and RedHat are becoming fewer and harder to pick... not all distributions are the same.
The fact that the oldest and sanest distribution stubbornly refuses to follow the pack in implementing poor, but convenient design choices makes it continue to stand out... and that is the reason why I think some reviewers appear bitter in their estimation of Slackware. Subconsciously, they resent where "Linux" is headed, but they're too invested to change now.
You single handily made me say the heck with a slight struggle, I'm doing this. After grub and uefi not really playing nicely, I installed grub to uefi and right now listening to music in xfce in Slackware.
And it HAS indeed improved since I last used it. I haven't had to mess zaxis mapping to get my scroll wheel working .
You single handily made me say the heck with a slight struggle, I'm doing this. After grub and uefi not really playing nicely, I installed grub to uefi and right now listening to music in xfce in Slackware.
And it HAS indeed improved since I last used it. I haven't had to mess zaxis mapping to get my scroll wheel working .
ZAxisMapping! Hahaha! Haven't had to use that in a good decade or more... possibly 15 years. Geez, that's a throwback!
I still reckon the best user experience is in KDE, but XFCE is good too. If your memory is of things like ZAxisMapping, then I'd say you'll probably be impressed with the way media handling works in the GUI... or not, honestly it's one of those things we can take for granted these days... but back in the ZAxisMapping days, we had to mount USB sticks by hand!
If you want to use the NVidia driver, then personally, I'd not bother with packaging it... I never saw the benefit. Just download the installer from NVidia and run it. You might need to install the "nouveau blacklist" package in /extra to get the NVidia driver working properly. Otherwise, the Intel side of the GPU is sufficient for most things, including light gaming.
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I still reckon the best user experience is in KDE, but XFCE is good too. ...
In all honesty the KDE experience sucks out of the box. But that's just because we have the most default install of KDE plasma that I've ever seen. The upstream defaults are crap and no end-user oriented desktop would ship it the way Slackware does.
KUser works great though so if any newbies have issues with adduser they can always try the GUI version.
In all honesty the KDE experience sucks out of the box. But that's just because we have the most default install of KDE plasma that I've ever seen. The upstream defaults are crap and no end-user oriented desktop would ship it the way Slackware does.
KUser works great though so if any newbies have issues with adduser they can always try the GUI version.
I don't think the KDE defaults are that bad. I ran KDE Neon for awhile and it was okay.
My problem with KDE is a million menus to find the thing you want. XFCE is always the same and I can just get it to do what I want very easily. XFCE is my favorite desktop and has been for years.
i find this post of a user and i really didn t like what i was reading:
Quote:
"hot take: i think slackware is a nostalgia distro for people who remember linux in the 90s, but not actually practical to run unless you're very stuck in your ways. their approach in development and security practices would have me worried.
if anyone is actually using this on production servers, i'll be in a cold sweat"
I was sorry to note that the Slack Builds website hasn't been updated to support Slackware 15.0 at the time of writing.
Don't jump on me, I am well aware of the volume of work that the SBo volunteer workers are faced with. But the temporary absence of official SBo support for 15.0 has been an issue, anecdotally, at least for some users and deserves the mention it has received in this article.
i find this post of a user and i really didn t like what i was reading:
Daaaaang. If you continue down that rabbit hole the reddit misinformation goes absolutely nuts. The age old "Slackware is months out of date" thing is so false it's honestly sad that people stick to it.
All the major server packages are kept up to date with their respective maintenance releases. In some cases a package will seem old, but if you look upstream you will notice that the project will concurrently maintain multiple versions to give people time to update. Python being a prime example of this.
If someone really wants to bitch about networking stability then I would love to point them to the networkmanager app on Ubuntu 18.04. Load up their "Long Term Support" distro in a building with 40+ wifi networks and I shit you not, the entire Settings app will crash.
EDIT: Confirmed, the guy running his mouth on reddit is a sociopath with a slackware hate-fetish
5 days ago he told someone that Slackware Stable is years out of date, and then referenced 14.2 even though 15.0 was already out. https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comme...w2z/?context=3
Of course Slackware is going to seem old when you reference the older version.
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Daaaaang. If you continue down that rabbit hole the reddit misinformation goes absolutely nuts. The age old "Slackware is months out of date" thing is so false it's honestly sad that people stick to it.
I wonder if I ran into the same person elsewhere? They were absolutely convinced I was using a kernel from 10 years ago. And I'm like, "Nope, 5.15, sorry." (It was months ago that the conversation happened.) It's like I was pointing them at the slackware-current and stable changelogs, and they were absolutely convinced that Slackware never gets updates.
My partner, too, didn't think it got updates. I'm like, "Dude, you see me do 'slackpkg update' every damn night before bed for the past 10 years..."
If you continue down that rabbit hole the reddit misinformation goes absolutely nuts. The age old "Slackware is months out of date" thing is so false it's honestly sad that people stick to it.
If they were to look at things properly, they'd see the following:
- There have already been 3 security patches to Slackware 15 since it was released 12 days ago.
- Slackware 14.2 has had 6 security patches this year so far... an average of 1 per week.
- Slackware 14.1 and 14.0 have each had 5 security patches this year so far.
- There have been 404 security patches to Slackware 14.2 since it was released in 2016, or an average of ~80 security patches per year... for a distro which has a total package base of less than 1,500 packages.
Yes, I run Slackware on production servers and no, I'm not worried.
I find it strange that many of the complaints made against Slackware could easily apply to other distros. People keep twisting the distinction between -current and -stable and arguing that package X is not updated..
But even if you look at distros like Red Hat and Ubuntu, they have release cycles with development branches that are not intended for production use.
And for those releases that are tagged as stable or LTS, not every package gets updates. Ubuntu (as well as others) makes very clear that only CERTAIN packages receive Long Term Support.
While I welcome arguments as to which packages should be on the maintenance list, disregarding all the updates that do occur simply because your favorite isn't there is simply not reasonable.
I've made my points and come to my conclusions so I'm going to bow out of this shitshow. Clearly there is a double standard because I don't think any of the people making these claims would tolerate them if it was their favorite distro on the grill.
I don't understand why we are making a fuzz about this review? So what, the reviewer does not "understand" Slackware as we do, and he/she comes to "wrong" conclusions. Who cares? Why do we have a problem to accept that there are people out there who simple thinks Slackware sucks? Is not like Slackware will die or cease to exist because of this. There will always be haters or people with other opinions (which they are rightfully to have).
People that will find Slackware, will find it and stick to it. I am pretty sure of that
I don't understand why we are making a fuzz about this review? So what, the reviewer does not "understand" Slackware as we do, and he/she comes to "wrong" conclusions. Who cares? Why do we have a problem to accept that there are people out there who simple thinks Slackware sucks? Is not like Slackware will die or cease to exist because of this. There will always be haters or people with other opinions (which they are rightfully to have).
People that will find Slackware, will find it and stick to it. I am pretty sure of that
Cheers!
The problem is not whether people like or dislike Slackware. The problem is that the site where people go to find out about distributions is posting a lie for the world to see.
It's very different for a user of something to have an opinion and for a news anchor to announce an opinion.This should be called out so others can see all this.
I kept most things I figured I would need, excluding only the Xfce desktop, games, development tools, and Emacs...
I was sorry to note that the Slack Builds website hasn't been updated to support Slackware 15.0 at the time of writing...
How is he going to run SlackBuilds without development tools?
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