I want to create a linux that is designed to run on my machine
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again you attack me instead of helping me do what I want to do.
We'd be glad to help, if you actually ASKED FOR ANY. All you did was tell us what you want to do, and if LFS was a good starting point for it. You were told yes, it was.
You did not ask for help doing it. You did not ask for code, testers, hardware recommendations, development tool recommendations, etc. If you want to do it, then GO DO IT. No one is stopping you. You asked for opinions, and you're getting them, but respond by saying people are 'shouting' at or 'attacking' you; you're wrong. You're getting answers and people pointing out some VERY obvious things, and instead of considering the points, you're arguing.
Google came up with the Chromebook...yes, it's not a 'full desktop'. Because it wasn't DESIGNED to be. The reason everything on it 'just works' like a Mac does, is that they control the hardware AND software AND OS together. Which brings us back to your 'perfect' laptop...which, for some reason, you think that NO ONE will ever want to upgrade/change/modify/repair. Which would break EVERYTHING you did, wouldn't it? Or do you honestly think that YOU can test EVERY SINGLE DEVICE that could EVER be plugged in? ALL the USB, Firewire, Bluetooth devices that exist, you're going to test? Every single keyboard? Every single drive? If you're not, you are right back to 'driver problems', aren't you???
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The original eeePCs were made with a version of Xandros Linux. They were among the first netbooks available, and caused some interest, but eventually it was re-released with WinXP (which sold better, but didn't work as well, apparently.) Dell had also released some computers with Xandros, and later with Ubuntu. The Ubuntu ones may still be available (link). Another big endeavour a while back was the One Child Per Laptop (Wikipedia link), which strove to provide low cost laptops (netbooks) to poor kids overseas, and used Linux (and/or open source software). It kind of fizzled out. WalMart sold some computers with Linux a while back (Xandros, Lindows/Linspire) but in spite of being cheaper these never caught on. Ubuntu computers were also attempted around 2007, but these never caught on.
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The original install of Xandros on my EEE 1000 was appalling though. I don't recall the details but I know I couldn't find my way around (I'd been using Linux a while by that time) and I may be wrong but I think it was even buggy?
If only they had shipped it with EeeasyPeasy (or whatever it was called) I'm sure more people would have been happier.
With Debian Stable this machine would have zero problems and, as it is, running Sid the only problems I've had are of my own making messing around.
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Yeah, I remember hearing about EasyPeesy (or whatever it was called.) Odd that the Linux desktop never caught on. I remember paying several grand for my first Win95 computer (until then I had a DOS computer -- with good old Leisure Suit Larry, Space Quest, and WordPerfect 5.1 -- I've never had a better computer). Anyway, the Win95 computer was okay, but eventually it became infected. I had put so much money into it, and then it was junk (and not long after, either.) So, I got a used computer and put Corel Linux on it. Great stuff. Free word processing, free graphics software, easy to use. Then SuSE. Also good. Mandrake (so so). Mepis (very good). Then Debian, which I stuck with for years (a brief spell with PCLinuxOS). Then Vector for a year (good distro, great community), and CrunchBang for a bit. Now Ubuntu.
Getting stuff to work can take time. But Ubuntu seems pretty good with that. I had some issues getting my printer going with other distros, but it was no issue whatsoever with Ubuntu.
I do wonder why Linux desktop never caught on. After my experience with Win95, I thought "never again", and have not looked back. I guess some people are just gluttons for punishment.
A part of the problem why linux on desktop has issues is that neither it is supported by hardware manifactureres (like windows) nor there is hardware created especially to run linux (like mac).
Linux is supported by the big manufacturers (intel, AMD, AMD/ATI, nVidia).
There is not really 'mac specififc hardware' anymore....its just modded 'standard PC' stuff. Intel CPUs and chipsets, AMD GPUs, etc..
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that's why for a new user it is very likely to face driver issues and other random bugs.
You'll see 'random bugs' with windows, macOSX etc. No OS is 100% without bugs.
IMO a lot of why there are random bugs is due to users who dont know what they are doing. Sure, sometimes its due to immature drivers- just avoid the bleeding edge. You'll see the same issue with other OSes.
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the idea is: creating a laptop that runs a special linux designed specially for it. (was this done already?)
Not really. Even the 'linxu hardware' vendors just sell other peoples laptops that they rebrand (e.g. system 76, zareason).
There is plans for an 'open soruce' laptop which probably comes closer to a 'linux laptop' than anythign else around now-
If that's the case, consider getting a system with Ubuntu preinstalled, such as from System76 or ZaReason, or the Dell XPS.
Although, even then, you're not going to find the same tight, trouble-free integration that you will find with a Mac. As has already been stated, they control both the hardware and the software, so they have an advantage there. I use a Mac 9-10 hours a day, 5 days a week at work, and everything just works as it should, yes, but I still go home and use Slackware on my ThinkPad T61. Everything "just works" there, too, but I have complete control over my setup, and Slackware doesn't suffer from the "beta" feel of many Linux distros.
Just saying, I'm pretty sure RHEL/CentOS/SL doesn't have much of a "beta" feel to it in addition to Slack, as pretty much all the software it uses is thoroughly tested.
Just saying, I'm pretty sure RHEL/CentOS/SL doesn't have much of a "beta" feel to it in addition to Slack, as pretty much all the software it uses is thoroughly tested.
Yes, I would put RHEL/CentOS in the same catagory, as well as Debian stable. Still prefer Slackware to those, however.
I remember seeing a few of those xandros / lindows machines at walmart. They were about half the specs of the machines next to them with windows installed and at best 25% less in price.
Kind of like going to the circuit city liquidation sale and expecting the get a good deal. Most of the stuff was only marked down 10%, if at all. With a no returns and no support policy. But I guess a bit OT for the OP.
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