A Harbinger of the Return of 'Fair' Speech to Twitter?
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I find it interesting that the policy against violence has been in place for quite a long while, and some of the recently purged group-s have been there much longer, and that they were not judged to be violent until NOW!
Yes, that certainly is peculiar. Because there can be little doubt that the groups in question are indeed advocating for violence (encouraging people to bring weapons to protests), and have been for quite some time, but right up until now they've been allowed to carry on with impunity.
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Originally Posted by wpeckham
I think the criteria for that judgement just changed. Greatly!
More like the criteria for enforcement, I'd say.
It seems that now, if you call for violence on Twitter or issue credible threats, you actually will get banned, regardless of who you are and how well-connected you may be.
Yes, that certainly is peculiar. Because there can be little doubt that the groups in question are indeed advocating for violence (encouraging people to bring weapons to protests), and have been for quite some time, but right up until now they've been allowed to carry on with impunity.
More like the criteria for enforcement, I'd say.
It seems that now, if you call for violence on Twitter or issue credible threats, you actually will get banned, regardless of who you are and how well-connected you may be.
Oh, I was not concerned about those. The ones that actually advocate for violence clearly needed to be blocked: not only to protect the public but also to protect twitter itself from a MASSIVE amount of legal liability!
I was more concerned about the ones that claimed to be "proudly ANTIFA, just as our parents (or grandparents) were in WWII"and called for NON-VIOLENT protests of different things that are now gone. The ONLY ones of those I would be concerned with are those that never violated the rules as posted on TWITTER, yet are removed and no one can determine why. (No one at Twitter will say, but then they seldom have.)
On child safety, for instance, Irwin said Twitter had shifted toward automatically taking down tweets reported by trusted figures with a track record of accurately flagging harmful posts.
Carolina Christofoletti, a threat intelligence researcher at TRM Labs who specializes in child sexual abuse material, said she has noticed Twitter recently taking down some content as fast as 30 seconds after she reports it, without acknowledging receipt of her report or confirmation of its decision.
In the interview on Thursday, Irwin said Twitter took down about 44,000 accounts involved in child safety violations, in collaboration with cybersecurity group Ghost Data.
Twitter is also restricting hashtags and search results frequently associated with abuse, like those aimed at looking up "teen" pornography. Past concerns about the impact of such restrictions on permitted uses of the terms were gone, she said.
The use of "trusted reporters" was "something we've discussed in the past at Twitter, but there was some hesitancy and frankly just some delay," said Irwin.
"proudly ANTIFA, just as our parents (or grandparents) were in WWII"
I'm sorry, but ANTIFA is a network of terrorist organizations, indeed dating back to pre-WWII. They explicitly encourage and commit political violence, up to and including murder.
There are various Antifa groups throughout the world and also here in the US but there is no network and it is not any kind of organization. Local groups engage in local activities and rarely if ever coordinate activities over a large geographical area. Advocating violence is generally not in the perview of Antifa groups as they tend to be nonviolent but they do support and engage in violent activities, frequently but not only in opposition to far right demonstrations. I'm only aware of one instance in which a declared Antifa person killed someone whose views he opposed.
I think that people have stuff in their minds. They will say it someplace. Schools, fences, stores or at home. My worry is more that some social site selectively controls the dialog. I wouldn't have paid 10 cents for twitter but I've never been on it. As a Tesla stock shareholder it may have caused me to loose a lot of money. Oh well, so the cookie crumble. Hoping for Tesla Semi and Cybertruck and other products to get my money back. Stock market is a ponzi scheme to some degree.
I'm sorry, but ANTIFA is a network of terrorist organizations, indeed dating back to pre-WWII. They explicitly encourage and commit political violence, up to and including murder.
They are not good people.
ANTIFA was the United States of America and its allies during WWII, fighting Fascists in Europe (Hitler etc.) It is the Fascists that were the violent criminals.
Antifa these days is a philosophy putting democracy ahead of authorientarianism, not a group or organization.
ANTIFA was the United States of America and its allies during WWII, fighting Fascists in Europe (Hitler etc.) It is the Fascists that were the violent criminals.
I don't think the US of A were far-left communists during World War II.
Just because someone calls themselves "X" or "anti-X," doesn't mean it's true (example: "anti-racist"). ANTIFA claims to be "anti-fascist," but will happily support the power of big business and the State being used against their opponents. That's at best hypocritical. Also, their definition of "fascist" covers everyone not politically aligned with them, which is convenient.
It's a bit like when the Nazi government forcibly nationalised all businesses in Germany that wouldn't play ball with the regime. This was called "privatisation," of course.
I don't think the US of A were far-left communists during World War II.
Just because someone calls themselves "X" or "anti-X," doesn't mean it's true (example: "anti-racist"). ANTIFA claims to be "anti-fascist," but will happily support the power of big business and the State being used against their opponents. That's at best hypocritical. Also, their definition of "fascist" covers everyone not politically aligned with them, which is convenient.
It's a bit like when the Nazi government forcibly nationalised all businesses in Germany that wouldn't play ball with the regime. This was called "privatisation," of course.
You are about as wrong as wrong can get, unless you equate big business or our nation as a fascist state. There is nothing communist about ANTIFA unless you consider democracy communist. That said, I am not going to respond to any more political misinformation here. It is harmful, off topic, and pointless.
There is nothing communist about ANTIFA unless you consider democracy communist.
Even the most cursory search of Antifa sources reveal their stated communism. If you want to know what the various "cells" advocate and oppose, it's not exactly hard to investigate. For instance, Antifa Berkeley is still on Twitter, posting and retweeting anti-capitalist messages (like "there is no humane form of capitalism, only proximity to & distance from the brutality that sustains it").
I don't think violence, or shouting people down, or preventing legal assemblies with bomb threats and suchlike is particularly democratic. In fact, I find such behaviour distinctly anti-democratic. But let's agree to disagree.
This thread is gradually getting awfully political.
I can't call it OT because the topic was the return of 'fair' speech to twitter and you guys seem to be debating what's 'fair.'
Maybe I should get myself lost until things cool off...
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