In addition to my previous post.

Your Keyboard doesn't have the 'Strg' key (which also often named the 'Control' key) and it also doesn't have the 'D' or 'd' key?

What's that kind of keyboard?

Are there any keys to press?

To duplicate a text section you can use a menu entry in Geany's 'Edit' menu - you will find it in a sub-menu called 'Commands' or similar (I'm in DE interface, so can't check it for EN).

Looks like a very logical questions! My answers are:
But, of course, there is a "D" or "d" key; it's part of the alphabet, isn't it?
It's the keyboard on my IBM ThinkPad X41...
There are lots of keys to press!
The interface is, for me of course, English. As you point out, you're using a DE interface, which I gather might be a German interface. So "Strg" is probably German for my "Ctrl" button. HHmmmm.... so that takes care of that little problem. Now I can move on to the business of 'duplicating a text section' as previously explained in your earlier post.

Well, things are moving along....

I'm sending you image-1.jpg which shows a copy of root AND the contents of the Xenial75 directory in root.

Below is the complete text of the new 'menu.lst' file:

# menu.lst produced by grub4dosconfig-v1.7.2
color blue/cyan yellow/blue white/black cyan/black
timeout 10
default 0

# Frugal installed Puppy

title Xenial75 (sdb1/Xenial75)
find --set-root --ignore-floppies --ignore-cd /Xenial75/initrd.gz
kernel /Xenial75/vmlinuz psubdir=Xenial75 pmedia=usbflash pfix=fsck
initrd /Xenial75/initrd.gz

title Xenial75 (sdb1/Xenial75) RAM mode\nBoot up Puppy without pupsave
find --set-root --ignore-floppies --ignore-cd /Xenial75/initrd.gz
kernel /Xenial75/vmlinuz psubdir=Xenial75 pmedia=usbflash pfix=ram,fsck
initrd /Xenial75/initrd.gz

title Lupu 528 (sdb1/Lucid)
find --set-root --ignore-floppies --ignore-cd /Lucid/initrd.gz
kernel /Lucid/vmlinuz psubdir=Lucid pmedia=usbflash pfix=fsck
initrd /Lucid/initrd.gz

title Lupu 528 (sdb1/Lucid) RAM mode\nBoot up Puppy without pupsave
find --set-root --ignore-floppies --ignore-cd /Lucid/initrd.gz
kernel /Lucid/vmlinuz psubdir=Lucid pmedia=usbflash pfix=ram,fsck
initrd /Lucid/initrd.gz

# Windows
# this entry searches Windows on the HDD and boot it up
title Windows\nBoot up Windows if installed
map (hd1) (hd0)
map (hd0) (hd1)
map --hook
errorcheck off
find --set-root --ignore-floppies --ignore-cd /bootmgr
chainloader /bootmgr
find --set-root --ignore-floppies --ignore-cd /ntldr
chainloader /ntldr
find --set-root --ignore-floppies --ignore-cd /io.sys
chainloader /io.sys
errorcheck on

# Boot from Partition Boot Sector

title Lupu 528 (sdb1:PBS)
uuid E6DC-ABFE
chainloader +1

# additionals
title Bootup from HDD\nBootup from the master boot record of the hard disk drive
map (hd1) (hd0)
map (hd0) (hd1)
map --hook
chainloader (hd0)+1

title Find Grub menu on HDD
map (hd1) (hd0)
map (hd0) (hd1)
map --hook
errorcheck off
find --set-root --ignore-floppies --ignore-cd /menu.lst && configfile /menu.lst
find --set-root --ignore-floppies --ignore-cd /boot/grub/menu.lst && configfile /boot/grub/menu.lst
find --set-root --ignore-floppies --ignore-cd /grub/menu.lst && configfile /grub/menu.lst
errorcheck on
commandline

title Find Grub2\nBoot up grub2 if installed
find --set-root --ignore-floppies --ignore-cd /boot/grub/core.img
kernel /boot/grub/core.img

title Grub4Dos commandline\n(for experts only)
commandline

title Reboot computer
reboot

title Halt computer
halt
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Two comments:
1) I note that there is still a section in the menu.lst called:
# Boot from Partition Boot Sector

title Lupu 528 (sdb1:PES)
uuid E6DC-ABFE
chainloader +1

What needs to be done with that?

2) regarding the copying of all the Xenial.iso files into the Xenial75 directory, there is only a "devx_xenialpup_7.5.sfs" file that was downloaded from the Internet. There was no "devx_xenialpup_7.5.iso" to open up and view its contents.

What needs to be done?

I await your further instructions.

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Hi khunphet.

As you last screenshot is showing, you removed the xenialpup_7.5.iso from the flash drive's Xenial directory. HOPEFULLY you kept/copied it as I wrote.

I did NOT wrote anything about a devx_xenialpup_7.5.iso. I wrote:
and this xenial-7.5-uefi.iso is the one to be left-clicked.

Re the additional section in menu.lst:
I just don't know what to do with that, since I never had such an entry.
Probably Mike Walsh is able to give some clues about this and what to do with it.

However, after you left-clicked the xenial-7.5-uefi.iso and copied its content into the now renamed Xenial75 directory you will be able to boot Xenial Puppy at next boot.

Good luck, have fun and please sent the results of testing the USB HD in Xenial.

I've seen this just after submitting my previous post.

If you are editing a post of yours, please add the text to the text of the post to be edited. The entry Reason: would need only the reason for editing, but not the additional/edited infos etc.pp.

So,I assume this is when you trying to mount that devx_xenialpup_7.5.sfs within Lucid?

I suspect you would have a failed/incorrect download. This could also be the reason why the Xenial is not booting from CD.

Please add a screenshot of the content of that Xenial CD to your next post.

You might probably need to do a new/fresh download of devx_xenialpup_7.5.sfs and xenialpup_7.5.iso. But first lets see, if Xenial is now booting from the flash drive.

As far as I know and understand, I have not seen a 'xenialpup-7.5.iso' in the Index of Xenial distros from which I downloaded initially 'xenialpup-7.5-uefi.iso' BECAUSE it had an .iso extension, but which failed to boot because 'UEFI.iso' distros are for new computers and my computer is definitely NOT a new computer.

All I found was distro and that is what I kept to insert into the new 'Xenial75' directory on the root. [See the IndexOfXenials.jpg in a separate attachment] But when I left-clicked "devx_xenialpup_-7.5.sfs" in the 'Xenial75' directory, I only got a "Failed mounting or un-mounting" error as I was still working under the umbrella of Lucid Puppy 528. So apparently, I haven't yet installed anything of Xenial on the thumb drive.

Do you know of an alternate download site where can I find a fresh copy of 'xenial
pup_7.5.iso' distro as per your suggestion?

As for "Please add a screenshot of the content of that Xenial CD", I still haven't got a Xenial CD; just 'devx_xenialpup_7.5.sfs' & 'xenialpup-7.5-uefi.iso' as mentioned above and which I can't open.

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Sorry for the typo!

Though, you are a member of the society of the human beings - aren't you?

That -at least- should make you able to assume I would have meant the xenialpup-7.5-uefi.iso when I wrote xenialpup-7.5.iso

Really, please do NOT make it over complicated as it already is.

Thanks.

And just to make sure: yes, I meant the xenialpup-7.5-uefi.iso!

So would you please just click that .ISO and copy its content into the Xenial75 directory.

Then reboot and try to boot into that Xenial!

Then report!

Ok, there's something not quite clear for me.

The first time when you mentioned that 'mount error' you mentioned it related to the devx sfs only. Does that mean you even can not mount the .iso by left-clicking also?

Also I found there's md5sum files for a 7.5b .iso, but there's no 7.5b .iso - only 7.5.

So I checked my local repository and found a xenialpup-7.5-uefi.iso locally available. Though I don't know if it is equal to the one being available to download yet.

So here's the checksums from the 7.5 .iso I downloaded some time ago:

MD5: 86eb92955c7bacafeba9d91a3de5abb2
SHA1: b3eeae87dd283cf0b9a4a7a8b005949896b6a3d8
SHA256: 075279458e701fc8ca1b405c51a09680f98ffaf1f0849983648e457381f02608

And here's the check-sums from the 7.5b .iso grabbed from the repo's *md5&sha256.txt file:

MD5: cd40febf96a102c9ade6b8e96a3a95c3
SHA1: 705573d439055093ac73479ba5046722bbd8a205
SHA256: 3d74b9ef0eba2508e1459829e098616c72160520a8c1dd0e49304273c65fb8e2

If none of this check-sums will fit to the ones of you .iso then you'll have a bad/corrupted download.

Edit:

Do you know how to get md5-check-sums from .iso files?

@ khunphet:-

Ah, that 'UEFI' label is a little bit confusing, isn't it?

Remember that Puppies are primarily designed to keep older hardware useful. This generally means pre-UEFI machines. However, time marches on, and even UEFI machines have been around the block enough times now for certain of the earliest examples to qualify as 'elderly' in some people's eyes!

These UEFI-labelled Pups will boot without issue on a standard MBR BIOS. However, they incorporate an extra module which will permit booting on a UEFI-equipped machine.....so long as you've disabled the 'SecureBoot/FastBoot' stuff, and enabled 'Legacy Boot' instead.....

Hope that clarifies things a little bit. (And it's a 'legit' UEFI 'shim', too.....purchased for the usual going rate of $99, so I understand). When UEFI first reared its ugly head, the Puppy devs tried every workaround they could think of to get around it; but nothing would work properly, so the decision was made to 'bite the bullet', and fork over the money for the genuine article. All modern Puppies make use of this same item, since great care was taken to NOT specify an individual distro name, but rather a 'generic' one instead.


Mike.

For the attn of Mike & RSH, your two separate posts need some reply from me.

First of all, for the past several days, I HAVE BEEN using my thumb drive to boot up XenialPup_7.5!! For which I thought that I had posted a BIG THANK YOU to all who had made that possible. Xenial has a rather different GUI than Lucid Puppy, but I've been exploring the Xenial distro and like it quite a bit OTHER THAN the fact that it seems to be VERY SLOW at shut-down time and has not yet provided me with the option of saving its last created configuration. That's a bit of a pisser (pardon my French) that I haven't figured out yet. Lucid Puppy was very good at doing that, by the way.

Once booting from the thumb drive was possible, I used XenialPup to see how it would react to my 2TB World Element external drive. The same drive that Lucid Puppy was unable to even see and which was the problem that brought me to seek help from the experts at LinuxQuestions.org. Not only was XenialPup able to see it, it was also able to copy files from drive C:\ on my HP-Mini laptop over to the 2 TB external as backups before attempting to format the HP-Mini's drive C:\ in which the Windows OS was giving me some problems. I haven't moved on to that yet.

Now the business of having some checksums available might enable me check as to whether XenialPup_7.5 is exactly what is should be. I have used checksums a long time ago on some MS files, but best you kindly advise me how I could check the Linux iso's that are now installed on a thumb drive. I do not have any distros that end in '7.5b.iso'. That must be a newer version that what I have.

At this point in time, the thumb drive which has both a "Lucid" folder and a "Xeniaal75" folder is always booting into Xenial. That seems to work reasonably well with the exception of the VERY slow shut down process (like even after 30 minutes, all I get are a couple of empty 'Puppy Shut down' windows. There are also times when it is impossible to close open windows by simply clicking on their "X" buttons at the top right corner of the windows. That too is something that does not seem quite OK.

The business of the "uefi" in the XenialPup distros does not seen to have any effect on being able to boot on my somewhat ancient machines. I also enclose a screenshot of the distros I downloaded from the Internet and used in preparing a thumb drive repository.

Apart from Xenial's slow shut downs and sometimes frequent inability to close windows, I am quite pleased with Xenial. You may have some tips for in resolving these last two little headaches.

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Xenial boots and the external USB HD is usable in read/write mode.

That's just good news.

I haven't Xenial Puppy installed and I do NOT use save files and/or save folders in general. So I can't be of any help on that issue in Xenial or any other Puppy.

As it turned out that the USB HD seems to be too new for the Lucid, the Xenial may be even too new for the computer?

May I suggest to give Tahr Puppy a try. My 32bit LazY Puppy Art Studio was build from Tahr and am still using it regularly as my daily OS.

Since you'd done the manual frugal install two times successfully, you should be able to do it with any other Puppy on any different drive or flash drive.

Yes. Lucid Puppy comes with Openbox Window Manager and FBPanel (taskbar). Xenial has JWM Window Manager which has its own panel/taskbar.

No, there is just no 7.5b .iso as I wrote. The 7.5b is only mentioned within the *md5&sha256.txt file of the 7.5 .iso and it indicates that the check-sums are made from a 7.5b .iso (probably 666philb has just renamed it from 7.5b to 7.5 before uploading).

Near the top of the content of menu.lst file there's two entries:

timeout 6
default 5

Just change default to the number of the entry (those sections starting with Title) you want to boot. Count it from top downwards and count it starting with zero. Timeout is the time after booting the default entry.

Attn: RSH

Surprise for you. I, once again, booted up from my thumb drive and it immediately began booting from the Xenial75 folder. Good.

Then, I explored the GUI, configuring the date and moving a few icons about and tried to save just that simple bit of new configuration and Xenial graciously allowed me to do that. It was also willing to close windows by clicking on the "X" in the top right corner of the desired window I wanted to close. Wow!

My earlier problems with both of those problems may have been due to having used the laptop on which I was working with Xenial for over 5 hours and the machine may have experienced some overheating???? At any rate, things are looking up and I'm sending you a screenshot of what I've got on the thumb drive for your info.

Your thoughts, my dear expert Friend?

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Hi khunphet.

So, everything seems to be fine. Good!

Just the other issue needs to be tested. The mount-error when clicking the devx .sfs. This could be caused in Lucid by the use of xz compression instead of gz compression. As far as I can remember Lucid doesn't have option to use xz compression, so it may give this mount-error.

So, please click the devx .sfs (in Xenial) and it should give option to load and to open a Rox filer window showing its content.

If anything is fine I may suggest to join the Puppy Forum (murga-linux.com/puppy/) which is THE place to learn about Puppy Linux. I was a member there from 2011 to 2019 and everything I know nowadays I learned from the people over there.

For RSH ...

Here's what I got upon performing your request: [ see capture11848.png ].

And then, I left-clicked on the "View contents" button and got this: [ capture16632.png ].

When I boot from the thumb drive, Xenial_75 loads 3 .sfs files:
1) puppy-xenialpup_7.5.sfs
2) zdrv-xenialpup_7.5.sfs
3) adrv-xenialpup_7.5.sfs

Does all that seem to be correct?
Should I copy anything from the devx.sfs to the root or elsewhere?

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Yes, everything's correct.

No, do not copy anything from the devx's content to any location.

The devx .sfs contains all the tools to compile e.g. C source codes.

Just use the button "Install" if you want to load the devx for compiling or to use any other program that may be in the devx (the button "Install" is a bit wrong named, as SFS Modules are loaded and not installed). After having the devx loaded left-clicking again will give option to unload the devx .sfs (I think it's called then "Uninstall")

So, everything seems to be fine.

Have Fun with your new OS!