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Originally posted by floppywhopper I think I'll have a wee chat to Jeremy
and see if we can get the dosage
of your medicine increased a little
floppy
Thanks for assuming that because I posted a suggestion that in IMHO might actually HELP this site be better, I need to "up my meds"
etc.. To those asking for "proof" or evidence to back my claim,
just read the "Patrick needs our help" thread on the Slackware forum
and you'll see the most recent example of what I'm talking about. All I
suggested was that maybe changing the moderation process would improve this board, nothing else.
Originally posted by joe83 Thanks for assuming that because I posted a suggestion that in IMHO might actually HELP this site be better, I need to "up my meds"
etc.. To those asking for "proof" or evidence to back my claim,
just read the "Patrick needs our help" thread on the Slackware forum
and you'll see the most recent example of what I'm talking about. All I
suggested was that maybe changing the moderation process would improve this board, nothing else.
I see nothing wrong with that thread or the modding of it. The mod felt it belonged in General and moved it accordingly but Jeremy the site admin felt it should just stay in Slackware, something that happens all the time.
I felt each had their reasons and pointed them out.
In the majority of cases, non-technical threads to go in General, even if they are pertaining to a specific distro or topic that might fit elsewhere.
I feel there is nothing more to improve the modding, we are allowed to use our own discretion at times, that is why Jeremy appoints and selects members he feel can handle such and any situations.
All the mods here I think do the best job compared to other forums. We will always explain our actions 99% of the time when modding. And I don't think any of the mods show or display power trips, we're just doing our job we were asked to do in the best interest of the site.
I beg to disagree. The whole UNIX /Linux movement has essentially been since its inception a rebellion against the status quo.
In my opion, the current mod structure on LQ has become the " status quo" and therefore needs to change.
Originally posted by joe83 I beg to disagree. The whole UNIX /Linux movement has essentially been since its inception a rebellion against the status quo.
In my opion, the current mod structure on LQ has become the " status quo" and therefore needs to change.
Why? Cause you have something against one mod moving one of your threads? I think this is getting too personal, if you have issues with some of the mods, you should take this up directly with Jeremy and not in the forums.
I disagree with you though, you seem the lone person who thinks something needs to be done with the mod structure. Not knowing what you mean by that, I'm getting the feeling you think some mods should no longer be mods.
But I'd say at this time, any more responses you should direct to Jeremy at this time. You do seem to have something going on a personal level that should not be made public, correct me if I am wrong though, feel free to email me in regards to that.
Lets get this thread back on its original topic, instead of one member trying to change things at LQ cause he doesn't like the way Mods handle business.
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Originally posted by joe83 I beg to disagree. The whole UNIX /Linux movement has essentially been since its inception a rebellion against the status quo.
In my opion, the current mod structure on LQ has become the " status quo" and therefore needs to change.
IMHO, it was never an issue of rebelling against the status quo, but about rebelling for freedom.
Originally posted by trickykid Why? Cause you have something against one mod moving one of your threads? I think this is getting too personal, if you have issues with some of the mods, you should take this up directly with Jeremy and not in the forums.
I disagree with you though, you seem the lone person who thinks something needs to be done with the mod structure. Not knowing what you mean by that, I'm getting the feeling you think some mods should no longer be mods.
But I'd say at this time, any more responses you should direct to Jeremy at this time. You do seem to have something going on a personal level that should not be made public, correct me if I am wrong though, feel free to email me in regards to that.
Lets get this thread back on its original topic, instead of one member trying to change things at LQ cause he doesn't like the way Mods handle business.
Regards.
Thanks for proving my point. "I don't like what you're saying so let's get the thread back on its original topic, I've arbitrarily ( because I can) moved it to the " anyone who disagrees with me is an idiot"
thread. Am I the only one who sees this??
joe83, fwiw so far in this thread you come off as looking as though you have the personal issue with the mods here, and Slashdot isn't that amazing in terms of regulation or ideals.
Originally posted by Proud joe83, fwiw so far in this thread you come off as looking as though you have the personal issue with the mods here, and Slashdot isn't that amazing in terms of regulation or ideals.
No, I don't have a personal issue with anybody, All I did was express my opinion on how this page could be improved by changing the mod structure, that's it.
Originally posted by joe83
No, I don't have a personal issue with anybody, All I did was express my opinion on how this page could be improved by changing the mod structure, that's it.
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Originally posted by joe83
It seems that lately, some mods are on a bit of a power trip,
Moderation by randomly selected users would eliminate this, and make this board infinitely more interesting, sparing us from the " I moved your post to wherever I want to because I can, and screw you peon" mentality, that seems to currently prevail.
Tell me that isn't a contradiction right there. You dislike some specific action of a mod which you feel is against you.
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Originally posted by joe83
I beg to disagree. The whole UNIX /Linux movement has essentially been since its inception a rebellion against the status quo.
In my opion, the current mod structure on LQ has become the " status quo" and therefore needs to change.
You want a 'rebellion' for the sake of it? Sounds like you're getting wrapped up in a bit of power-tripping zealotry. Yes we here think OSS is good, and also that LQ is fine as is, and while there is a struggle for mindshare&change to get others to try our cool idea, there isn't some us or them crusade. Why not all just get along together?
...and what was the original topic of this thread? Certainly not everything about moderators, or? More like how awesome it is for LQ.org to have so many members!
And how awesome to have such wonderfully knowledgeable people (and how many there are!) using this site.
I was, am and most likely always will be impressed by this site. Keep it up.
Originally posted by joe83 Thanks for proving my point. "I don't like what you're saying so let's get the thread back on its original topic, I've arbitrarily ( because I can) moved it to the " anyone who disagrees with me is an idiot"
thread. Am I the only one who sees this??
If you have to ask if you're the only seeing it, an equally likely question to ask yourself is 'Am I seeing things?' As student04 pointed out, you're off-topic. Simple as that. So saying trickykid is on a power-trip when he states a matter of obvious fact is a perception problem. As far as the example you cited, it's a gray area - the mod moved it on a judgment call - no power-trips necessary. It was moved back on another judgment call. Where's the problem? It's not like the mod insulted you and closed the thread so you couldn't respond or anything. That might be more of an issue.
So let's get on with celebrating LQ's milestone like the topic says - yay LQ! - and get back to helping people with their boxes.
A major point of Bell Labs, if you read up on the history, and of Linux, if you watch its development, is completely apart from any 'status quo' issues. It's simply a bunch of different people working together on a common goal. Much like LQ.
name rank & serial number
thats all the microsoft police will get out of me
floppywhopper, LQ member, RU no 375717.
cool 150,000 members
but no t-shirts
floppy
PS
how come the linux counter homepage
says you live in "the world" > Australia
is there an australia on some other planet
has Linus been moonlighting for the Martians
Is there a conspiracy here
FWIW, two things:
the idea of modding in a way similar to Slashdot has come up before and was turned down then. Slashdot and LQ are two very different sites with different aims and needs. AFAIK (and I hope Jeremy doesn't disagree on this one ), Jeremy is very happy with the Mods team and most (not quite all, but most) of our members are too.
None of the Mods here are on a "power trip", especially not me. All of our actions are carried out to keep the discussions on LQ moving - which is why we close duplicate threads and move threads around. None of this is done to prove we are better than anyone else (if that was the case, we'd simply be rude to new members and try to keep this a closed site with just people we like on it) it is simply done because that is what Jeremy wants us to do.
Since it was brought up, I will refer to Joe83's "Patrick Needs Help" thread. I moved it to General because it wasn't a technical issue. Not because of power trip issues, not because I wished to annoy anyone, but just because it wasn't technical. After Joe83 appealed to jeremy (or Jeremy spotted the thread), it was moved back to Slackware by Jeremy. In fact, I may have stickied it to keep it at the top and to stop us having multiple threads to merge. Jeremy discussed with me the reasons - mainly that Patrick is Slackware and after the discussion I agreed with him.
Frankly, I would hope that this is the one and only time we ever discuss this sort of thing on the boards. As has been pointed out on this thread and elsewhere: if anyone disgrees with any of the decisions made by a moderator, take it up with that moderator or with Jeremy. This thread has effectively been hijacked, which is a shame.
That said, I would also like to see an LQ Counter in the profile bar to the left of the thread.
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