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Old 11-29-2023, 12:59 PM   #16
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Are you suggesting Wayland functionality has caught up to X11???
Why would you think that. Nothing anyone said here suggests that.
What I DID imply, is that the rate of development has NOT remained a constant and Wayland improvement has accelerated.

When Gnome and KDE developers in particular started adjusting their development to make those projects Wayland compatible they initiated a development feedback loop with Wayland that has accelerated growth and improvement (and more efficient use of development resources) in all three projects.

18 months ago I tried Wayland and quickly went back to X.ORG, it was not ready for prime time. 12 months ago I tried again and loaded both x.org and Wayland on my main laptop and ran KDE Plasma in both. There were issues, but both served. Starting 6 months ago I dropped x.org, as Wayland was better for my daily use. That is an ASTONISHING rate of change in usability for such a project!

Has it caught up to x.org? Not in all ways, but in some ways it has surpassed or bypassed x.org and is "good enough".
 
Old 11-30-2023, 05:18 AM   #17
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Personally, I wish someone would reintroduce TinyX......
 
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I wonder why all the hand wringing. I can't remember when I went to wayland - F32 maybe as an option (guessing).

Every project on linux has a problem getting devs - X was so behind the curve it was laughable. Given past history, wayland may suffer the same fate, but currently it at least seems to have a future.
Old code needs to be deprecated - apologies to all those that made the effort to contribute.
 
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Personally, I wish someone would reintroduce TinyX......
Tiny-X was folded into X.ORG and is why the running size suddenly shrank so very much at that time.
 
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Wayland Isn't Going to Save The Linux Desktop (June 10, 2022)
 
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Old code needs to be deprecated - apologies to all those that made the effort to contribute.
Do you mean we need to forget about vi, grep, sed, ls, cd, tar, ... and some other tools just because they are all more than 30 years old?
 
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Coincidentally, this week's Distowatch has a discussion of this point. Jesse Smith concludes that "X11 still likely has a lifespan of 15 to 20 years before it is no longer supported directly. I say "directly" here, because part of Wayland is the XWayland component which allows Wayland sessions to run X11 applications. This will allow software built to work with X11 to continue to run for years, probably decades longer, even after standalone X11 sessions are no longer supported by most Linux distributions." and he adds "It would not surprise me if X11 continues to be the default display protocol for a while longer on the BSDs…"
 
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