According to that article, Xorg hasn't been properly maintained for years. I suppose wayland is the future, like Xorg was the future once. When I started out with Linux, it was Xfree86 and that wasn't being maintained properly either.

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The elimination of X will probably force everyone using old hardware to the BSDs, similar to what Microsoft is doing with TPM2. Also I (tinfoil hat on) strongly suspect, Wayland will require systemd in some future release.

So, I believe many Linux hobbyist will move on to a BSD. Why, with Wayland it is very difficult to create custom window managers when compared to X. Plus creating tiny little clients (like xload, xbiff, xeyes, too many to list) is probably a lot harder. Plus the resources will probably be higher. So Linux will then end up as a commercial OS similar to Microsoft Windows, with Microsoft's hands in it.

But OpenBSD has xenodm, which I am hoping all the BSDs will team up to support. Then I will at least have an escape route from an OS controlled by Red Hat and Large Commercial Companies.

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I share the concerns about Wayland acquiring a systemd entanglement.

Also, so far Wayland is not properly formed into a viable alternative to X, yet. I suppose that will segue into not being maintained properly either, thus continuing the fine tradition.

Seriously, there are some dangerous shortcomings with X which were written up in detail a great many years ago now. Wayland had potential, and had the advantage of more or less starting as a new project, but after 15 years without major progress (from an end-user perspective), there is a larger problem which needs to be addressed.

You'll always be able to build from scratch, won't you?

Please, say yes. It's my final hope!

I wouldn't put it past Gnome to drop X11 support from GTK itself before too long in order to force the adoption. Either that or apps themselves will start to require Wayland (or worse still, a desktop specific compositor, due to use of some desktop specific protocol extensions).

Regardless of whether X11 can still be built or not, unless you're going to stick with outdated apps you might not have a choice for much longer.

As a fvwm user who likes working in X11, this prospect does not please me at all.

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#1 I think that train started down the track about three years ago, it is just not an express.
#2 I expect x.org to be available AS AN OPTION for at least another decade. Support for older hardware is a "Linux thing"!
#3 I will be surprised if Wayland does not come to support multiple older hardware platforms with time. Almost everything else in the FOSS world has.

(I still have one 32-bit i686 platform that runs Linux. Without GUI and slow, but it still works.)

https://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/wayland-2021.html
https://dudemanguy.github.io/blog/po...land-xorg.html

From the latter, written June 2022:

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And that 18 month old prediction might have proven true, had the rate of development remained the same.

Are you suggesting Wayland functionality has caught up to X11???

AFAIK the systemd component that creates the entanglements is always systemd-logind, and that can be replaced by elogind. That's how Slackware, AntiX and Devuan do it. In fact it's what elogind was created for. Like eudev (I believe we owe both of them to the Gentoo team).

That's the Linux way of doing things. If something unpopular gets pushed, some angry hacker will always create an alternative.

Actually hazel, antiX does not use elogind at all. We use seatd as a 'replacement' for systemd-logind.

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From ajax in 2013
I am happy to take Adam Jackson's word on this.

This comment (phoronix.com Comment 39) seems to describe one big issue with Wayland, and it may be the reason nvidia and amd is having issues with it.

As you read other comments, seems some people seem to confirm this. This a a partial quote from the comment:

This is going to be like when someone does that trick with the table cloth where they yank the cloth out from under the stuff on the table and it's supposed to stay in place but instead everything ends up broken and on the floor.

Breakage, incoming!
*puts up umbrella*