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"industry leaders conectiva, sco group, suse and turbolinux"
They must be joking ?
Conectiva is big in South America and recently acquired by Mandrake (Mandriva). Suse was big in Germany/Europe with a good following in the US but was acquired by Novell and probably even bigger now. Turbolinux is big in Japan/Asia (take a look at this). Suse and Turbo have been around for a while (not sure about Conectiva). SCO was Caldera, which had a popular distribution for a while. None of these were jokes.
I am not against a new distro with specific aims. But deciding it will be THE distro AND advertising it as such is a put off.
One big question, of course, is if it chooses applications and standards or includes all applications and standards. Hint: either way means some people will never use it.
Originally posted by programmershous
And please, dont post out of subject messages.
-If you want to help, post here.
-Otherwise, dont post here.
(I am especially talking about reddazz, masonm, geeman2.0, ctkroeker , etc. : if you cannot help, then PLEASE dont post here).
They ARE trying to help. Albeit, not your idee fixe, but
the OSS community and the sanity of people on the forums
whom you're thoroughly confusing by changing your mind
like a flag in the wind, and contradicting yourself in every
second post ...
Originally posted by programmershous Things dont change that fast, even for linux.
By the way, I received no help for the new distro, so I am thinking to give it up and to continue reading and learning (except if I get some more help)...I am sorry for all my supporters .
Things do change that fast. The old SCO listed on that site is no more. The people using the name now are not the same players.
Frankly, you couldn't have contributed to the supposed distro you wanted. You could only criticize it. Just so you could throw out more FUD about "why does this work this way?".
Originally posted by programmershous 2 days ago
Thats the kind of mentality I really hate : "I dont care about everybody".
So stay in your "linux ghetto". And say Linux goodbye. Microsoft is here.
What is Linux with no users ? Nothing.
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Originally posted by programmershous 1 day ago
who cares about peoples opinion ? If Linus had listened to people like you, he would have never finish his kernel.
And your message doesnt bring any element to help for building the distro....
I have asked many questions, so if you have answers, feel free to answer.
Still not making sense and contradicting yourself.
Still never answering the important stuff, but sweating the
little things, and responding in a way that doesn't match
the original argument.
Tinkster What do you mean?
You've been here since March 2004...
We're not sending anyone away just for trolling
LOL such a sense of humor ! I never troll, at least I am trying.
I am sorry if I was a little harsh with some people. I apologize.
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2damncommonBut deciding it will be THE distro AND advertising it as such is a put off.
One big question, of course, is if it chooses applications and standards or includes all applications and standards. Hint: either way means some people will never use it.
Why should I advertise for somthg that doesnt exist yet, I am just asking help.
Answer : it will be a minimal distro, users will be able to add other applis.
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Tinkster They ARE trying to help. Albeit, not your idee fixe, but the OSS community and the sanity of people on the forums whom you're thoroughly confusing by changing your mind like a flag in the wind, and contradicting yourself in every
second post ...
Yes some people helped me : craigevil ingvildr oneandoneis2 win32sux 2damncommon, they really rock the place !
I changed my mind thanks to discuting with people in this forum.
What would you say about someone who never changes his mind ?
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Kdr Kane Frankly, you couldn't have contributed to the supposed distro you wanted. You could only criticize it. Just so you could throw out more FUD about "why does this work this way?".
And I still suspect you will...
I am still studying how to make distros...
And asking questions about how and why it works like that cannot be bad, can it ? Is it bad if I want to learn ?
I dont like FUD. I only like facts.
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Tinkster Still not making sense and contradicting yourself.
What is showed is not a contradiction :
the first case is : I dont care about anyone, I am selfish.
the second case is : I dont care about people's opinion, I will not give up.
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Tinkster Still never answering the important stuff, but sweating the little things, and responding in a way that doesn't match the original argument.
I try to answer correctly. If I didnt, then I am sorry.
People can ask me again if I didnt answer their questions correctly .
Contributors to GNU/Linux : http://www.gnoppix.org/pages/rute/no...00000000000000
Commercial companies who most contributed :
Sun Microsystems, Lucent Technologies, Aladdin Enterprises, ID Software, RSA Data Security, Digital Equipment Corporation.
Last edited by programmershous; 06-24-2005 at 07:52 PM.
programmershous, considering that a distro is basically a collection of software packages, you can start making your distro TODAY by customizing an already existant distro... i know that slackware let's you do this very easily, and my guess is that so does debian and probably fedora also...
LFS is great and it's definitely something you need to do if you want to be a distro developer... but learning LFS is a very long process, so it's not a bad idea to start customizing someone else's distro to fit your needs while you're still learning LFS...
BTW, and even though you consider cd-based distros to be only toys, you can learn A LOT from building your own... and i'm talking about stuff that will help you out with your hard disk install distro also, and your LFS...
just expressing my point of view doesnt make me a jerk.
No, but the way you express it does.
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If you call it a poor attitude, then you are wrong and are against freedom of speech. You would be glad if everybody thought like you and agreed with you. It is not the case.
Yes you do have a poor attitude towards those who obviously know a great deal more about Linux than you do.
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Oh I see you use *slackware*, so you are a *guru*, you think you are the best ? LOL
Is it you who wrote :
quote:You're right that Slack isn't geared toward either newbies or stupid people.
or
quote: Linux isn't for everyone.
No, I'm not a guru. I am just someone who has been working with Linux since 1995 and has contributed to more than one distro.
Slackware Linux isn't nor has it ever been geared towards newbies. Even an imbicile knows that.
And the simple fact is that Linux isn't for everyone. There are some people for whom Windows is a better choice. You'll figure that one out for yourself eventually.
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I also dont like the arrogant position of people like you who dont give a damn about newbies, about users in general.
I have helped more newbies with Linux issues than you likely ever will. True, I usually don't help the ones who are arrogant, ignore the information provided by people who know a lot more than they do, or come into Linux thinking they somehow know what all of the Linux community's "problems" are without really knowing anything about Linux or the Linux community.
If you had approached this entire issue with a better attitude you would have received a great deal more assistance than you have. I don't know what kind of a programmer you are and really couldn't care less, but I do know your people skills suck.
Is there something wrong with your web site? I went to check it out and it was basically a blank screen with 2 ads up top. Then opera (the browser I am using) informs me it blocked a pop up. Strangely enough to the french ebay.
The ebay stuff doesnt come from me, but from the "free hosting" ifrance.com, they have ads on all their pages. That's like for geocities and free hosting, they use ads popups, and I can do nothing about it.
By the way, anyone has ideas about having a domain name (like .org) and a forum for the future distro, a mailing list, a cvs etc. . Help is appreciated .
Last edited by programmershous; 06-25-2005 at 03:36 PM.
XavierP I'm closing this, it's a very very long winded way of saying that you are making your own distro.
Ok let me clarify some stuff : the idea of making my own distro is very recent.
Why should I use so much energy discussing here with people, instead of doing one simple thread saying "I am creating my distro" ?
First I wanted to write an article for my blog comparing different linux distros.
Then I noticed there are too many distros.
Then I thought one should focuse on the best ones and have more standards, so that energy is not wasted in reinventing the wheel.
Then I discussed with people here in LQ.
Then I thought : why not creating a universal distro ?
If it is good and standardized > people will use it > standards will be widely used > it will be copied by all other distros > gnu/linux will be more unified > gnu/linux will develop further > GNU/Linux will be better etc.
So my aim is not to create "my own distro", but to help the whole community and make GNU/Linux better and more standardized.
I dont know if I can reach the goal though, it seems to be more than hard...
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