Skrilla, you are perfectly welcome here and I would urge you to continue this discussion in the way you first intended.

I'm done... deactivate my account.
If I offended anyone well that was not my intent.

I think that Skrilla's main problem in this thread is one of phrasing (and I am giving him(?) the benefit of the doubt and assuming Skrilla isn't trolling) - Skrilla is mistaking "the Community" with "the Distributors". In fact, I would venture to further subdivide "the Distributors" into the big professional companies with shareholders and the more community-led offerings: Debian for example.

To keep with Debian, they have no real vested interest in having Debian rule the world. It is a community project and they are more concerned with stability than with numbers. Red Hat and mandrake (to use the 2 bigger ones) do need numbers, otherwise their profits shrink and they close down.

If Skrilla is using 'standards' in the same way that Microsoft does - c:\windows is similar in the NT and 95 trees, well that was attempted with the Linux Standards Base. The problem is that all distros have their own communities. These communities have their own aims and preferences and simply by not taking part in the LSB the community said that we don't want it.

Windows is led by Microsoft and their strategic partners, what goes into Windows is what they deem to be necessary. Linux is led and driven by users and every single user has their own view of what is necessary. I would always say that someone new to Linux should personally try out a number of distros until they hit upon one that they think is right for them. If you are worried about corporate and SMB clients, why not stick to RH/Mandrake/SuSE/CentOS, become knowledgeable and then make that your only offering?

Skrilla: You're only annoyed because you can't make money out of it with your "business associates".

Discuss.

I'm off to laugh at the sky, then cry at the world.

Accounts with posts against them don't get deactivated. And leaving after such a short time is a real waste of your time, stick around, read some of the existing "which is best" threads, read a few books and make a more educated decision.

And to reiterate David_Ross's sentiments: stop attacking Skrilla and goading him/her. Skrilla is entitled to an opinion, if you disagree with the opinion back up the disagreement "LOL Skrilla knows nothing" does not add to the discussion and is hardly likely to create a new convert (join usssssss).

Even though not explicitly stated, clearly Skrilla needs information. Help to pass on that information.

I think it's a shame that Skrilla has decided to leave.
I agree that we all may have gotten a little defensive but I think that was because
of the way his first post was presented. I think we all should step back, take a
deep breath, and go "OMMMMM".

I will personally TRY to be a little more forgiving of the WAY someone says something and
try to look more into what it is that they ARE saying. I'm not promising anything though.


Zack

I'll ommm with you just for the fun of it.

This was actually quite an interesting and stormy thread. I don't think I've ever seen that many replies in such a short amount of time, but then again I'm not on LQ that long...

/me coughs ...

Actually it's
c:\windows in 95,98,ME and XP
and
c:\winnt in NT and 2000

So much for standards, not to speak about M$'
interface changes from
3.1 -> 95(98,NT) -> 2000 -> eXPeriment -> and the
brand new runner up, longhorn.

Or their fscking up of file-formats in office apps with
upgrades, providing perfectly working import filters but
dodgy exports, forcing customers who swap documents
to upgrade.

Or the fact that they ignore interface and key-bindings
as defined by the industry standard CUA.

Or what they're doing to HTML and Java (until they
got slapped on the wrist).

... don't get me started :}



Cheers,
Tink

Wow.

That much crap within just a few hours?

I don't.

but it was a lot of fun reading

I guess I'll burn in hell

--Jonas

I think that was meant for me.

This thread was about as boring as watching my cat clean its own arse..

I thought this was goning to be an interesting discussion until some people started flaming.. if i had been Skrilla i would have felt vexed by some of the comments too..

I come from a M$ background too, as so many do, im actually a qualified MS engineer, working in the industry. I feel that her/his points about what simple users want is quite valid, choice, does confuse the poor windows user, as i've found out in the field. It can cause CHAOS to change one little app in an office building, ive had experiences of the switch board being jammed by calls to tech support after an upgrade from 2000 -> xp because it just wasn't what all the people there had been using for the last who knows how long...

Linux suits me because im a hobbiest / enthusiast, things get me riled about it, like my current problems, (i wont go in to here) but i work through them and feel satisfied that ive learnt something and am becoming more knowledgeable about my O/S.

Sure, linux doesn't need to be "dominant" because its for people like me. I think perhaps Skrilla liked the idea of using linux in his/her business, and of it becoming somthing that everybody can use, not just the skilled hobbiest but make as far reaching for the user as 2k prof was in the office.

I feel nervous about writing this in case i get a barrage too! i did read the whole thread and think i understand what was being said. Am willing to discuss but i'd like Skrilla to come back and finish the point..

Anyway.. big up ... ?!

CT

I think that skrilla was a troll. How can he possibly think about
"I am working on an OS that is Linux based" when he has NO
idea how Linux works, or without having understood what the
options are?

That's like deciding to be a mechanic without ever having seen
an engine, and then complaining that ford and bmw use different
aggregates. The key (here, as everywhere) is to up-skill yourself
and gain knowledge.


Cheers,
Tink

ok thanks, point taken. I'm pretty new here.. i even had to go to Wikipedia and find out what a troll was ! please.. don't hit me !

Its true that he came here not knowing what distro to use and then saying he was making one.. does seem strange, and i guess as linux is close to our hearts is a good place to start to troll from eh..

guess that wraps it up..?