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Old 11-24-2007, 11:24 AM   #46
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LOL I know this thread is ancient, but even 3+ years later I still use Debian as a desktop and Slackware as a toy for pretty much everything. Almost as fun as *BSD.
 
Old 11-27-2007, 09:22 AM   #47
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Slackware as a toy?????????????
 
Old 12-26-2007, 10:20 AM   #48
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A lot has changed over the years

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Originally Posted by gui10 View Post
hm... personal opinion here.

i've done successful as well as unsuccessful installs for deb and slack. i prefer slack. probably because i could get it right more times and got a lot of help from this forum while i was at it. this can only mean one thing. i'm biased.

only thing i wish is that the file system used in slack 8 is ext3. i suppose the same effect can be achieved with ext2 and reiserfs but i don't know how reiserfs works as yet.

as for freebsd...
i think stability-wise, linux and freebsd are going to be on par soon. as for security, the comparision shouldn't be between linux and freebsd per se. all the different distros have different policies and these influence what packages go into its releases and how things are configured during the install. it's up to you to secure it after that. apparently, redhat tends to be more progressive while slack is more conservative. this probably also means less secure for redhat initially but if you hunt down the possible exploits, disable unecessary daemons, go through your logs regularly etc etc, you would probably be able to cover your box. freebsd also needs securing out of the box... soooo i think the issue of security here is kinda irrelevant in some way? unless u're comparing across linux distros as well (and not linux as a whole) ...

the only OS so far i know of that boasts of "2 years in a default install without a remote hole" is openbsd.

ever since i started on it, my vote has always been for slack over deb.
Since this thread began and since 2002 a LOT has changed. Slackware has even gotten simpler to deal with. X is no longer a chore to install or set up in Slackware. Good old Slackware remains one of the few distros out there to use run level 3 by default - the multi user command line rather than run level 5 - the graphical user environment, but Slackware is also real clear about how to change that, and it also has an easy way to start X from the command line.

Slackware is probably one of the easiest HOBBYIST distros around, but it is not generally even considered for consumer distributions.

Debian has come a long way in five years. It has probably changed more than Slackware in that time because the Debian installer was old, asked a million questions, and did not do much for you. In my opinion it STILL asks too many questions, but midway through 2007 I used the small installation program, netinst, to install a stable release of Debian, the Etch release, and other than asking too many questions, it was quite easy and straightforward.

You have to keep in mind that in the case of Debian, it really is a core framework, from which other systems can be built. Some of the easiest to install and use systems in the world OF ANY TYPE are now based on Debian. Good examples are Dream Linux, Freespire, Linspire, Linux Mint, SimplyMEPIS, Ubuntu, Xandros, and many others.

Slackware has also built up quite a derivative community at the same time. SLAX is now one of the top Live CDs (which can be installed to disk) and it is trivial to install and use. Vector Linux is also based on Slackware and it, too, is simple to install and simple to use. There are many others.

The issue about ease of use really is not the right question. I would say ease of installation is a question to raise, but I would respond that if either Debian or Slackware are too difficult to deal with, you are probably in the wrong category, and you should be looking at SLAX or Vector if you like Slackware ideas, and use SimplyMEPIS, Ubuntu, or one of those derivatives if you are considering Debian software.

The simple fact is that both Slackware and Debian, in my estimation, lead the pack when it comes to stability and security. They are both leaders by any Linux standard in those areas. Consumer grade is not really an attribute of either of them. For those, look elsewhere.

On servers and in corporations, I take a different stance then. Novell's SLED (desktop) and SLES (server) provide solid enterprise quality software and support. To me, though, this is where Red Hat really wins. In the enterprise, there is no better software than Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL). There are also free versions available from smaller companies, if you want to save money - E.g. CentOS, Lineox, White Box, etc. To me, these do not compare favorably to consumer grade systems for hobbyist or home use, but they are superior for corporate use. I'd rank Red Hat number one there. I've used it corporately and I am impressed with what you get.

Summary:
Slackware and Debian are both within the grasp of the hobbyist to master. They are not designed with the consumer in mind at all. Only consumers with a hobbyist mentality need even consider them. However, there are plenty of distributions formed from both Slackware and Debian, and MANY of these are not only worth consideration, they are recommended for first time Linux users.

Corporate citizens ought to look at Novell's SUSE lineup and Red Hat's Enterprise lineup. Red Hat has the edge here.
 
Old 12-26-2007, 10:32 AM   #49
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Oh yeah, I wanted to comment on one other thing: security. OpenBSD is often touted for having the most secure code and the fewest problems. That needs to be qualified. The default installation, consisting primarily of server code, is audited, line by line, for stability and security. In that space, you cannot top OpenBSD. It is first rate. If, however, you are going to use a desktop system, you would be hard pressed to beat the Debian model. The security updates, while not audited like OpenBSD, are very current and just by updating your software on a weekly or monthly schedule you can achieve extremely stable, secure software with a Debian approach.

All three under discussion, OpenBSD, Debian, and Slackware, rank well in both stability and security. Unless we are splitting hairs, I would not dismiss any of them on the basis of providing a stable, secure platform. All three are really solid. They beat nearly all commercial alternatives in both categories, yet are much less expensive to install and maintain.

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Old 06-25-2008, 10:37 PM   #50
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As to reply to the title "Debian vs Slackware", I personally would say Debian. I used Slack once and gave up because I was having trouble with Lilo, I had Windows on the same machine. I just got a new semiold computer, so I'm going to install Slack on it so I can use Lilo. But I now use Debian and I love it. I started out with Ubuntu which is like a child of Debian, so I had a head start. Debian is now really easy to install using the new GUI install in Lenny/Sid. It is ultra customizable. I only had issues with GNU and GPL non non-free source software. But a few "sudo aptitude install *******" took care of that. I rarely crashes if ever.
 
Old 07-15-2008, 10:12 PM   #51
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Originally Posted by trickykid View Post
well, Slackware is the most Unix like.. but Debian is a very or the most robust linux out there. Its harder than Slack to install and definitely the hardest distro to work with... well its not actually a distro.. but hardest version of Linux to use.

Both are very stable, as which all Linux Distros and Version are.

Good Luck, if you couldn't get Slack installed, you'll have a harder time with Debian.
dont agree with you at all.....Slackware was so much harder to install than debian.... i pretty sure i could install Debian high and three sheets to the wind...its been like 2 1/2 yrs since i installed slack but theres no way i could do it over and over again... i think ive installed and set up debian about 25 times now.... ill use it for a while format then try something else but seriously its really not that hard to install
 
Old 07-15-2008, 10:20 PM   #52
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That comment by trickykid is from 2002, a lot has change with Debian in that time..

Might want to check dates before dredging up really old topics and comments ....
 
Old 07-16-2008, 05:54 AM   #53
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And Slack has changed too in 2 1/2 years.
 
  


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