So I upgraded 3 systems from Bullseye to Bookworm.

then on one system I did fresh install of bookworm from usb drive.

same results apper errors on all 3 and for some reason seem to be missing krunner in kde. though fresh install has it?

anyway if I try to install or remove a program with apper in kde I dont get prompted for root or sudo password
[
You have failed to provide correct authentication.
Please check any passwords or account settings.

details
Failed to obtain authentication
]
seen some hits in searches with older versions of debian with no cures.

On all systems I never get prompted to enter a password to authenticate using apper in debian 12 bookworm. 2 upgraded,one fresh install all have this problem.

Just using synaptic instead.