That probably won't help much, since arch is a rolling dist. The only good thing is it ships with udev.

Your sarcasm is clearly noted. May I suggest Suse Linux for people not skilled enough to read properly? It's all warm and fuzzy etc I am led to believe

For the other non-wankers out there possibly considering using Arch, any Udev upgrades will stop all pacman output for a 5 sec countdown and display a nice little warning letting you know what it's installing and what it'll break if you don't follow the instructions properly. I thought it was nice of the developers but maybe it's just not enough. This said by the people who don't actually contribute themselves.

It does actually help considerably, all the Udev change over has been and gone by the Noodle release so it's just a clean update from there to a current system. As I said earlier in this mess of a thread, I did so myself the other day in a virtual machine and it was peachy

Newbies shouldn't be allowed anywhere within 4 feet of an Arch Linux CD! You'll thank me for it later...

Yes, seriously though, Arch requires that you know a bit more than other Linuxes like SUSE or Fedora. However, Slackware users might feel comfy with it.

Personally I like Arch, although the initial system is too barebones (no KDE, no Gnome, just a collection of WMs to choose from.

As to the DevFS/UDev problem I didn't have a problem when I upgraded from DevFS to UDev because pacman did everything necessary to resolve it. Guess I was just lucky.

First of all I am no noobile! I have god damn configured this to shit! I have reinstalled packages and rewritten configs till my wrists hurt! I use vi ffs! I program in perl! I am no noob but unless my harddrive is corrupt I cannot figure out what to do here! I usually run slackware ffs! which is no way easier than Arch! I am currently building my own distro from scratch and I promise it will never have this stupid as shit problem! The trouble with Arch is that is stays so up-to-date it's fucking all over the place.
I am off to use gentoo, apparently they have a friendly community.

Mmmmm leet. Wow, I'm so impressed by you.

jkh,

If you felt that my post was directed at you, then you probably are a newbie...

who the hell else would it be directed at?

Interesting thread - pity about the vitriol that crept in.
I've seen all the problems the OP mentions. Took a couple of goes to get it installed as the doco was ...umm ... average at best.
As a casual user, I don't (didn't) frequent their fora, and missed the announcement re the change to use the initrd. During an update I saw a message about the bootloader scroll by as I wandered past the office. Mmmmm - message later gone and not kept anywhere for later perusal (prior to reboot).
I mentioned this on the Arch lists, but no resolution has appeared.

As for the udev fiasco, I think they dropped the ball on this. The kernel devs have been warning the community for ages that devfs was going away. Leaving the change in Arch until the absolute last minute was a mistake.

As has been pointed out, the wiki and/or fora has fixes for most of these issues, but it can be a trial sometimes finding it when you need it.

It was a general statement. To be very honest, I couldn't care less whether you're a newbie or an expert. I merely made an observation about Arch Linux.

If you think you're such a cool guru, you shouldn't use this forum at all. Anybody who thinks he's an expert probably isn't. On the other hand, acknowledging that you're a newbie might be the best way to actually learn something new. Being called a newbie isn't an insult. It's a fact - that somebody has less knowledge in a certain field and would like to learn something different.

And one more thing: on the internet there are a million people besides you. Who the hell are you to think that you're the only one everybody's talking about?

I think this thread is over. Time to click my heels together three times and see if it gets closed.

i don't see what the big problem with udev is. It took me all of five minutes to switch over. The arch devs even included a script to do it for you. Really, its not that hard.

Too barebones? Thats the entire point of arch.

No, there isn't any on the cd, but you can easily install them once you've installed. If you have to have a graphical interface to install...well...that's what Archie is for

Nah, it seems better now. New mod upgrade - stand in front of a mirror and repeat "moderator" 5 times......and we appear!

Well I tried