Although I was disappointed with the unfathomable dropped support of the rt2500 wifi driver (fully gpl) the disappearance of the nvidia.sh script and the zen update fiasco, there is one thing that I'll salute: the flawless upgrade from 10.

I could have done a fresh install but I rely on some bits and pieces that are not part of the distro and that took quite a while to configure so the fact that I could successfully upgrade without losing all that was a real boon.

Also, my machine has been up for 17days now so it looks like my elusive freezes have gone. fingers crossed.

It's fine with me now but I think KUbuntu would work a lot better for me if I had the patience to reconfigure everything I have done on SUSE.

To be honest, I am more excited by KDE upgrades than by SUSE upgrades. And SUSE has always been superb at the difficult job of providing updated KDE packages in a swift and efficient fashion, which is one of the big reasons why I migrated from Debian.

Not a huge number of problems. On the other hand the single bigest show stopers for me anyway are:
X being way more glitchy.
The litiney of problems with YAST
Generall 'usability'.
Mainly:Upgrading removes many of the 'uh oh programs' that Novell seas as a problem (IE DVD and Mp3 playback). Get over it. Apple and Microsoft don't see any problem-and encourage it.
No 3D drivers-Why? is their a particular problem-no matter how remote- for using ATI's own drivers giving them credit for their work?


I like what suse wants to do. However I do see quite a few shortcomings with the new model they are running with. It will probably be better in the long run.
With a little more work and patching it could very well be very solid fealing.

I don't say much on these forums, but I thought I'd pipe in for this one. Overall, I'm amiable tot he upgrade. True, YaST is slower, and I miss some of the abilities that were present in 10.0, but I've gotten used to these things. I think the biggest annoyance for me is how slow YaST is to start up. But I have everything working, including the 3D nVidia driver and my Linksys WPC56 version 3 wireless card.

I have noticed, though, that if I have to reboot my wireless AP, I pretty much have to reboot my laptop, too. For some reason, the laptop won't resynch with the AP when the wireless system is brought back online.

Overall, I have to admit, it was worth the upgrade to me. There are a few improvements over 10.0 that I like (such as KNetworkManager). Still, if someone were to ask me for my advice on choosing 10.0 or 10.1, I would probably reocmmend 10.0 at this point.

I am currently running 10.0 which works great apart from my ipw3945 wireless intel hardware.

I've tried tutorials to get it running on Suse 10.0 but get stuck at the very first step of compiling a version of ieee80211 all of them just dont compile.

Does anyone know if 10.1 fixes this? I have a Dell Dimension 9400 and would try the 10.1 release if I could get my wireless working easily....

Thanks,
Brett

Yes it does fix it. You need to download either the DVD or the addon disk to do so though. I love 10.1 on my laptop, it solved my ACPI issues, and everything with exception of my flash memory card reader works. A big jump from 10.0 on the laptop. My issue is that XGL does not work on either of my desktops. Actually, even worse than that, installing the proprietary ATI driver took away my 3d. For my desktops it flopped, for my laptop it was awesome. When a laptop has a ton of issues, and a distro solves it, it is awesome. Unfortunately, when the desktops dont have issues, and you end up with things broken out of the box and unable to run XGL, it really sucks. Hopefully the Kororaa ordeal will allow distros to send the Nvidia and ATI drivers out. Oh yeah, and maybe someone will be able to fix the ivtv issue for 10.2.

My personal view: I strongly support SuSE, but I just cannot recommend 10.1. For anyone interested in working with SuSE, I'd recommend sticking with either v9.3 or v10.0 SuSE is a great distro, but sadly this version just is not on par with previous releases

In brief, I had been looking forward to installing v10.1 very much. Unfortunately, after actually going through the process, I decided to pull the plug and return to v10.0. The main deal-killers (at least for me) were the complete failure of the Yast and sax2 functions. Both were completely broken, and considering they are critical/fundamental components of a usable SuSE system, it was an easy decision to return to v10.0 (although with reluctance).

Here's hoping that v10.2 or v11.0 is vastly superior (seriously) to v10.1. As usual just my 2 cents, YMMV. At least for me though, at this stage I'd have to give it a thumbs-down

Eh,

I am not quite sure why all the complaints. I love 10.1, sure it has it's downfalls (must I say YaST), also MANY MANY MANY people got confused about the ipw (and other wireless) firmware and drivers being on the "Add-On " CD, thus not installing during the initial install (unless you add an Add-On source that has the ipw (and other wireless) firmware drivers). But there are many great things including, KNetworkManager (I haven't seen a Linux Distro with such an intuitive Wireless Network Manager). THE UPGRADE WORKED.. Ok.. c'mon people, if you've tried upgrades in the past, you will know, this is a great thing. Sure it will take out the working DVD and MP3 support, but those are just as easily re-installed.

If you don't like YaST, then use Smart or use y2pmsh.

Although, with the upgrade to the new kernel my fan stopped working , just need to force start it.

what shall i install from Addon CD in order to see DVD movie?

You will have to add the Packman Repository and add the non-crippling xine packages. Also while your there install the w32codecs etc.

Can u give me the website where got detailed instruction?

I just got SuSE 10.1 this last weekend with my subscription of Linux Magazine.
It seems to me like one of the biggest complaints about 10.1 has to do with
the update manager. Well, as a humble dial-up user on a 56K line in a country
where internet access is fairly expensive, that isn't an issue for me. It's on
of the reasons that I eagerly look forward to each new release - I simply cannot
afford to download patches/updates/extra packages.

So from this perspective, I've actually found 10.1 to be fairly good. I got Xgl working
relatively easily. I had one glitch where using the recommended compiz.desktop for .kde/Autostart
resulted in some of the programs that start up automatically not being properly placed in the
system tray. But it was easily solved by making compiz.desktop sleep for 10 seconds before running
compiz. Plus, there are more packages on the installation media than what I had for 10, which is
a real bonus for me. A fresh out of the box install of 10 had some terrible problems for me.
Two that come to mind are kde's print preview which was all screwed up and amarok would freeze
occasionally. These were fixed with patches, but those patches were duly paid for with
my expensive internet access. But I'm happy to say that everything worked great with
10.1.

Apart from xgl, the only other glitch was my postfix server wouldn't send out mail.
I eventually tracked it down to apparmour and fixed it in no time.

Maybe I've just been lucky in not having as many problems as some others out there.
Perhaps I'll have them yet. But so far, 10.1 gets two thumbs up from me.

hi there,
agreed 100%. i don't use Suse in my private life (use Arch instead) but i use it since v8.0 in my job. Like J.W. stated, the last Suse version for me is 9.3. After that is just crap.
just my
regards,
slackie1000
[edit] coincidence. link from distrowatch: http://lists.opensuse.org/archive/op...-Jun/0002.html

SuSE 10.1 was very promising, introducing a lot of things that bode well for the future.

Unfortunately, it was so unstable that it made me switch back to Windows, although it wasn't the only thing. I had been contemplating the change for a while, and when I saw that SuSE 10.1 didn't improve enough (and in fact, regressed), I made the change.

Hopefully, they take more time on the next few releases. The eight-month release cycle should help.

I have had SUSE 10.1 installed in one of my machines for a week now and 3 days on another. I haven't upgraded from SUSE 10.0 on my notebook system yet. I have used SUSE since Version 9.3. The installation of 10.1 went flawlessly from a DVD install on both systems. One has a single IDE drive, while the other uses SATA RAID0 with two SATA drives. All hardware was properly detected and while YAST had/has some problems, using the GURU supplied SMART package has been great. Likewise, many of the YAST problems have been fixed and I'm sure the rest will soon follow. I have performed all updates, including the KDE updates.

The only issue I have is that I have been unable yet to get my Sony PDA to be recognized so I can sync with Evolution email, which always worked easily with previous versions. The PDA is recognized, but I just cannot get a connection through /dev/tty/USB1. Otherwise, all USB devices are working perfectly. I am very happy I made the update.

Incidentally, my install was done using the SUSE 10.1 DVD from the packaged box purchased from Novell.

I don't think that's entirely fair. If someone throws a pile of garbage in my living room and tells me, hey, it's free, I'm still going to be irritated about it and have every right to be, especially if they told me they were delivering flowers. We're offering our opinions here, and I do have to agree that the problems with the package manegement are overwhelmingly bad.

In my view, what's worse, and more along the lines of a "lose their job" sort of thing, is the philosophical decision making behind it. This is OpenSuSE? Okay, explain it to me. Why is the package management being done this way, rather than countless other ways that are available and far superior, or at least why are they not building on that?

This whole package management thing smells of the influence of a corporate board room's decision making process, and imo, it's bad for the SuSE community.

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It's not, and I'm not sure where this idea comes from that the packaged version is so much different than the one you download. Whatever the case, I paid for 10.1, and I'm quite unhappy with that decision. I have since uninstalled it, gone back to 10.0 as my main system, and have been slowly creeping over to using my Slackware installation more and more, mostly because of the letdown of 10.1. That is, I didn't expect anything fantastic or any great new advances. I'd upgraded my system manually so that most of what was "new" in 10.1 was already on my systen anyway. But when I installed SuSE 10.1 and found so much that was *not* new but that was broken, yet had worked flawlessly or at least with fewer issues previously, it was quite irritating. And, what makes my blood boil is that in a roundabout way, all this has affected 10.0's software management process as well, so I can't get away from it just by staying with 10.0.

I had previously purchased 9.3 and was quite happy with it despite some issues because they were issues that made sense.

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I didn't notice a lot in the way of truly new features that benefit the average user. (XGL in its current state doesn't count.)