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PS I wrote MATE neither for me (I run it already 99.97 % of the time) nor Slint (it includes MATE 1.24 since 15 March 2020) and am well aware that Willy's packages are easy to get and install (thanks Willy) but for Slackware users. Among other benefits the help system is awesome and it's by far the most accessible desktop.
Last edited by Didier Spaier; 11-28-2020 at 06:07 PM.
I'm also really hoping Pat holds out for 5.10. I finally snagged a 5900x CPU yesterday and can finish my new build. Kernel 5.10 will bring temp monitoring and a few enhancements for that generation CPU. Plus 5.10 will support the new AMD 6000 series GPU's.
I'm also really hoping Pat holds out for 5.10. I finally snagged a 5900x CPU yesterday and can finish my new build. Kernel 5.10 will bring temp monitoring and a few enhancements for that generation CPU. Plus 5.10 will support the new AMD 6000 series GPU's.
Same here, but with the pace things are developed if we always wait for the next big improvement then we end up waiting forever. And besides, if all the new stuff goes into 15 what new features does that leave for 15.1?
Same here, but with the pace things are developed if we always wait for the next big improvement then we end up waiting forever. And besides, if all the new stuff goes into 15 what new features does that leave for 15.1?
5.10 is going to be a stable LTS release in less than a month. I think its worth holding out for it.
It's even easier to package using the Slackware source directory. But then you'll have to take care of re-building and upgrading when the needs arise (mainly for security fixes) Not all end users are willing to do that.
Yes, I used to build custom kernels for years, and if 5.10 doesn't make it into 15 and I decide to get an AMD 6000 card I will compile my own 5.10 kernel. But with the fact that were not even beta yet, and betas and release candidates usually take a few months of testing, I would like to think it's at least on Pat's radar of consideration.
It's even easier to package using the Slackware source directory. But then you'll have to take care of re-building and upgrading when the needs arise (mainly for security fixes) Not all end users are willing to do that.
I did used to scan for and apply security fixes roughly once a month for a period of a couple years when I ran a 24/7 Minecraft server, but for common SOHO Desktop I don't bother but 2 -3 times per year. Over the past 20+ years I've probably applied a good hundred patches/upgrades but I have not once suffered a successful attack. Maybe much of that is "security from obscurity" (hackers most often go for the far more abundant low-hanging fruit) but I'm happy with a solid firewall and a once-a-month rootkit check. I don't need to update a kernel often at all on a Desktop system. Mainly it is just about hardware support there.
PS I wrote MATE neither for me (I run it already 99.97 % of the time) nor Slint (it includes MATE 1.24 since 15 March 2020) and am well aware that Willy's packages are easy to get and install (thanks Willy) but for Slackware users. Among other benefits the help system is awesome and it's by far the most accessible desktop.
I'm with you on MATE, its my go to DE. I use compiz instead of Marco, even though compiz is still an unstable beast at times, I just cant convince myself to stop using it.
I use compiz instead of Marco, even though compiz is still an unstable beast at times, I just cant convince myself to stop using it.
Maybe it depends on the compiz version? Here (Slint64-14.2.1):
Code:
didier[~]$ ls /var/log/packages/compiz*
/var/log/packages/compiz-bcop-0.8.16-x86_64-2slint
/var/log/packages/compiz-gitda7c10a8-x86_64-1slint
/var/log/packages/compiz-plugins-experimental-0.8.16-x86_64-2slint
/var/log/packages/compiz-plugins-extra-gitf62c7a7-x86_64-1slint
/var/log/packages/compiz-plugins-main-git205103b-x86_64-1slint
/var/log/packages/compizconfig-python-0.8.16-x86_64-3slint
didier[~]$
I have also taken care that the main key bindings be the same in marco and compiz as noted in MateKeyBindings, and compiz helps wrt accessibility as noted in CompizKeyBindings. A an example the eZoom plugin makes the cursor stay roughly in the middle of the screen when you type with a big magnification factor (that's the desktop that moves right or left). This helps a lot people with a low vision, thanks to Samuel Thibault for that.
PS kwin can also be used in Mate:
Code:
Cdidier[~]$ kwin --replace 2>/dev/null
OpenGL vendor string: Intel Open Source Technology Center
OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) Sandybridge Mobile
OpenGL version string: 3.0 Mesa 11.2.2
OpenGL shading language version string: 1.30
Driver: Intel
GPU class: SandyBridge
OpenGL version: 3.0
GLSL version: 1.30
Mesa version: 11.2.2
X server version: 1.18.3
Linux kernel version: 5.4.75
Direct rendering: yes
Requires strict binding: yes
GLSL shaders: yes
Texture NPOT support: yes
Virtual Machine: no
Caveat: I only tried with kde-wrkspace-4.11.22, not Plasma 5.
PPS: conversely compiz can replace kwin or xfwm4 (version 4.14.0) here, which brings eZoom along others to KDE and XFCE.
Last edited by Didier Spaier; 11-28-2020 at 11:53 PM.
Maybe it depends on the compiz version? Here (Slint64-14.2.1):
Code:
didier[~]$ ls /var/log/packages/compiz*
/var/log/packages/compiz-bcop-0.8.16-x86_64-2slint
/var/log/packages/compiz-gitda7c10a8-x86_64-1slint
/var/log/packages/compiz-plugins-experimental-0.8.16-x86_64-2slint
/var/log/packages/compiz-plugins-extra-gitf62c7a7-x86_64-1slint
/var/log/packages/compiz-plugins-main-git205103b-x86_64-1slint
/var/log/packages/compizconfig-python-0.8.16-x86_64-3slint
didier[~]$
I have also taken care that the main key bindings be the same in marco and compiz as noted in MateKeyBindings, and compiz helps wrt accessibility as noted in CompizKeyBindings. A an example the eZoom plugin makes the cursor stay roughly in the middle of the screen when you type with a big magnification factor (that's the desktop that moves right or left). This helps a lot people with a low vision, thanks to Samuel Thibault for that.
PS kwin can also be used in Mate:
Code:
Cdidier[~]$ kwin --replace 2>/dev/null
OpenGL vendor string: Intel Open Source Technology Center
OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) Sandybridge Mobile
OpenGL version string: 3.0 Mesa 11.2.2
OpenGL shading language version string: 1.30
Driver: Intel
GPU class: SandyBridge
OpenGL version: 3.0
GLSL version: 1.30
Mesa version: 11.2.2
X server version: 1.18.3
Linux kernel version: 5.4.75
Direct rendering: yes
Requires strict binding: yes
GLSL shaders: yes
Texture NPOT support: yes
Virtual Machine: no
Caveat: I only tried with kde-wrkspace-4.11.22, not Plasma 5.
PPS: conversely compiz can replace kwin or xfwm4 (version 4.14.0) here, which brings eZoom along others to KDE and XFCE.
Right now I am using the 0.8.18 packages. And I have compiz set to recover automatically upon a crash so it is not a big deal. However I usually get one crash a day. I have often wondered if it is my video card. On my main machine I use a GTX 970 with the nvidia drivers, but my laptop has a dedicated amd card using the amdgpu opensource driver and never seems to give me problems.
Well... it might be because Pat wanted to thank his Patreon supporters.
Or it was not intended to be a place to get news in the first place. Anyway the changelog is a better place still, despite the front page at slackware.com saying nothing relevant. Not long after the Patreon post went up, Pat had already merged the changes. Not sure why we are directing people to the Patreon page that doesn't work in Firefox.
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