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Old 12-22-2019, 07:38 AM   #16
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Tried MX Linux and Linux Mint Debian Edition. For me lmde looks better. Both have minor issues with wifi. For lmde it is due to lack of firmware (Debian policy). But installers are bare bone systems: huge downloads needed once system is installed. I realized I would prefer huge installer: DVD full of applications. With good hardware support out of box. But first of all: desktop distribution.
 
Old 12-22-2019, 09:15 AM   #17
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FreeBSD for fun?
Actually, FreeBSD (for me) is loads easier than Slackware, but then again I have been using FreeBSD a long time and Slackware only once or twice. FreeBSD is certainly not without issues: short support times for releases, currently broken Intel video.
 
Old 12-22-2019, 10:00 AM   #18
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Tried MX Linux and Linux Mint Debian Edition. For me lmde looks better. Both have minor issues with wifi.
Yes. When I set-up WiFi in MX I go in and edit the connection in Networkmanager and ensure the box is checked that says all users may use the connection. That was the only sticking point for me. Once set-up WiFi is reliable.
 
Old 12-22-2019, 10:02 AM   #19
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For lmde it is due to lack of firmware (Debian policy).
That's why I gave a link to the Debian net install ISO *that includes* firmware; the non-free ISO.
 
Old 12-22-2019, 11:43 AM   #20
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That's why I gave a link to the Debian net install ISO *that includes* firmware; the non-free ISO.
I was thinking about this I am grateful. Now my choices are MX Linux and Mageia and I will stick to that. I'll see how they'll work.
 
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Old 12-22-2019, 12:21 PM   #21
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If looking for alternate distro suggestions, I prefer the non-free net install of Debian. Rather than be subjected to the whims of upstream maintainers, the net install lets me build my own system.
 
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Old 12-22-2019, 12:26 PM   #22
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If looking for alternate distro suggestions, I prefer the non-free net install of Debian. Rather than be subjected to the whims of upstream maintainers, the net install lets me build my own system.
Same. After running MX for less than 24 hours I’m doing a reload of Debian 10.2 using the non-free netinstall ISO. Will be running their flavour of KDE-plasma which is a sweet ride.
 
Old 12-22-2019, 02:15 PM   #23
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Tried MX Linux and Linux Mint Debian Edition. For me lmde looks better. Both have minor issues with wifi. For lmde it is due to lack of firmware (Debian policy). But installers are bare bone systems: huge downloads needed once system is installed. I realized I would prefer huge installer: DVD full of applications. With good hardware support out of box. But first of all: desktop distribution.
Yea, the iwlwifi drivers thing is a PITA with Debian distros, but if you have them on a USB when you install it's not a big deal.

Also, if you do NOT setup your Internet connection during the install, everything will install from the media. But like all other distros, you will need to update once you connect.
 
Old 12-22-2019, 02:49 PM   #24
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Yea, the iwlwifi drivers thing is a PITA with Debian distros, but if you have them on a USB when you install it's not a big deal.
Use the non-free ISO images.

I had the same issue with my T400. After burning the non-free ISO to USB the install was smooth and with no hiccups.

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Will be running their flavour of KDE-plasma which is a sweet ride.
You really like KDE Plasma, n'est pa?

I've been waiting for Plasma to get merged into Current. Although I have been away from KDE land for several years, I plan to at least give Plasma a run at that time.

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Old 12-22-2019, 02:55 PM   #25
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Use the non-free ISO images.

I had the same issue with my T400. After burning the non-free ISO to USB the install was smooth and with no hiccups.
Exactly! The non-free ISO loads the firmware for my WiFi card and other hardware so that I can establish a WiFi Internet connection to do the installation. I used the dd command to transfer the small net install ISO to my USB drive. There's no need to download a DVD ISO. Use the non-free net install ISO which is 300-400 MB in size. Start the install and download only what you need.
 
Old 12-22-2019, 02:58 PM   #26
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You really like KDE Plasma, n'est pa?
Mais oui!
 
Old 12-22-2019, 03:14 PM   #27
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Use the non-free ISO images.

I had the same issue with my T400. After burning the non-free ISO to USB the install was smooth and with no hiccups.
The problem is that other Debian based distros like LMDE don't have a "non-free" image. I only mentioned that I installed Debian recently. I (and pocker) also mentioned LMDE and that is what igadoter tested.

I personally have no desire to run Debian. I used Debian from 2.0 until 8.0 and was overwhelmingly disappointed with 8.0 because KDE was broken. That is when I came home to Slackware, and will never run Debian full time ever again. I only installed Debian recently to get some info from an installed package.

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Old 12-22-2019, 03:52 PM   #28
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I know, I know, why I am asking? simple I can't make choice myself. Got laptop with rhel 8 - but inevitably I will end with Slackware (sigh). I am just Slackware-doomed. But for short time before that day will come I want to have some fun - just install and play, working wine is absolutely necessary beyond that as usual. And some tex to tex also. I had look at MX, Manjaro, Ubuntu, Mint - but can't make decision. My needs? simple in sense how to use, stable - evident, no mass updates every week, save me no! Distribution when one is tired all of hard work at computer - and is starting to hate computers. And please spare me jumping. I dont to test twenty distributions to find this one. I am asking if someone here is running such distro for leisure time. Salix is something I am thinking of - but salix itself is just too old. Salix on -current would be great - but there is no such thing - as I know of course. Laptop is Lenovo ThinkPad 450 I think (i3 processor, intel graphic card, broadcom wireless, I got it yesterday - great surprise - but rhel 8 is headache).
Since your main use seems to be the desktop, you might want to give this new kid on the block a spin:

https://www.furybsd.org/

Cheers from a happy OpenSUSE Leap user.

Niki
 
Old 12-22-2019, 05:38 PM   #29
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FreeBSD for fun?
yeah, and a change of pace. I do find it lacking in some of the things Linux can do, but it is not an entirely waste of time to learn. not that much difference, just some of the commands and how some of the apps work, ie sed, and bash is set up especially when writing a script in bash. #!/usr/bin/env bash is all that needs to be changed. etc...
Oh and it is not that difficult to install either. not for me anyways.

just slap in a menuitem in 40_custom update-grub and boot it.

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Old 12-22-2019, 06:08 PM   #30
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I do find it lacking in some of the things Linux can do, but it is not an entirely waste of time to learn.
Yes. I like multi-media functionality and Netflix doesn't run on BSD browsers. I ran FreeBSD starting with 5.x and OpenBSD from 5.0. I recently left the BSDs entirely as Linux now meets my needs. Each to his/her own. I learned a lot using the BSDs, it's not a waste of time. I learned to enjoy using Vi on OpenBSD.
 
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