Shift-F forwards the message (minus HTML) inline.

I make the Caps Lock key another Ctrl key so that it is easier to use Emacs. That way Ctrl is on the home row with the rest of my fingers.

I am seriously considering trying to do nearly everything with the built-in KDE tools to see how well they work. I'm pretty impressed with Kgpg and Korganizer. I need to consolidate my contacts soon, and Kontact may be the way to go. If I do that, then Kmail may also be the way to go (although I really really like Thunderbird, especially with the Enigmail and Lightning plug-ins).

Koffice never really impressed me much, but the propaganda from KDE.org makes me think about giving it another chance.

Frankly, at this point I'm probably going to wait until the next version of Slackware to try switching over, but it all looks promising.

Regards,

One point to make about this discussion for me, I have installed Slackware 12.1 as a server in my business, but never really used it for Desktop.
Yesterday I decided to download v13 and installed for a desktop. On starting KDE (the default) I get 2 windows showing Akonadi trying to start, then 2 windows showing an error situation (Akonadi control process could not start D-Bus) and then another window opens with Notification Nepomuk ... file stigi (didn't quite catch the entire message header on that window).

Having persevered with Slackware before I can do so again, but the first impression this leaves is terrible.

I will follow the threads and decide what to do (currently changed to xfce) but cannot understand Slackware shipping with this problem.

Most people complaining about akonadi issues run kde as root. That simply doesn't work (by default) and isn't adviced anyway. Akonadi by default starts its own mysql server instance, running as the currently logged in user. To make this "work", you would need to have a mysql server instance running as "root". Does anyone seriously think that is a good idea?
Why mysql? I trust their judgement. The devs said they have tested multiple database solutions and mysql was the best option for them. So be it. Is it the only option? No. Nowadays you can also use postgresql (although I'm not quite sure how to configure that) and recently there was code added to svn related to sqlite.
This should make things a lot better for those insane people who run kde as root....

Dumb thing to do, but that is a broad statement. On what basis do you such an assumption?
BTW, it doesn't run worth a &*^% as user, either, at least on my system. You need the Evil Triplets, akonadi, nepomuk, and strigi, plus the mysql server daemon running just to get KMail to work. All that overhead is NOT needed, period, IMHO, so akonaki has been un-installed, ditto the mysql daemon, and Xfce has become my DE of choice. Took a while to get use to it after running KDE all these years, but now, thank God, there is no need to ever run KDE again.

Experience. Every user I talked to (on IRC) who complained about that akonadi error after login was running kde as root.
I have no idea what you people configure on your system to make it not work. I tested it multiple times myself, just to make sure *I'm* not doing anything special to make it work. But I didn't. On a fresh install of Slackware, akonadi works fine out of the box for a normal user, without external mysql server. Everytime. Tested on different real machines and virtual machines for both slackware and slackware64. No error, ever.

"Evil triplets" is getting tired, cwizardone. I've got Nepomuk, Strigi and Akonadi all turned off, but I don't feel the need to trash them over and over.

We all now know that you hate KDE and are just so happy using Xfce, which is really great for you. And when you have something constructive to add to this thread, I'm sure we'll all be happy to listen to your contributions.

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One would think someone as self-important as yourself would have better things to do with their time than run down other board members.

Those who say "simply turn 'them' off are missing the point. If it is possible to DISABLE these services and have KDE run fine without them, then why is it not possible to REMOVE them altogether? Isn't the point of Linux freedom of choice and transparency?

Case in point. I looked into compiling KDE without Akonadi/Nepomuk/Strigi. Compiling kdebase-runtime has 3 dependencies and strigi is one of them. Yet in 'system settings' I can turn off strigi?!? Kind of makes you wonder if "turning it off" really "turns it off".

So, in the interest of adding "...something constructive..." I'd like to find a way of compiling/installing KDE without this 'Big Brother' plague which is silently infecting Linux. If anyone can help... please share. I will post the "how to" on the multitudes of forums requesting this very thing. Thank you.

My first exposure to KDE (and Linux for that matter) was in Suse version 7 around ten years ago. All I can remember is numerous instances of the crash handler popping up, and my first impressions were not good. I still see this crash handler on the very, very rare occasions I venture into KDE to see what I have been missing. Not as often, but once is too often as far as I am concerned, considering XFCE with far fewer developers has never crashed even once on me. I don't agree with you that KDE will continue to improve; like Gnome, just when the software reaches a stable state they will blow the whole thing open again with some arrogant desire to impose a new way of doing things on users. Always in beta - that seems to be their philosophy. As long as FOSS continues to shoot itself in the foot with attitudes like this it will remain on the periphery as far as desktop use is concerned. If I didn't have XFCE and FVWM I would return to Windows and use NetBSD for my server needs.

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yes it is, and you are free not to install KDE. However, if you want to operate out components that are deemed an integral part by the developers, well, you need to change the source code. The source code is available for free, and the software license gives you the right to do so. That's what Open Source is all about. Nobody's stopping you. Just let us know when you're done.

Well said!

I see a common problem with software in general is programmers see the need to "add more features." There may be a point where a desktop environment is fully conceptualized and no new changes would be needed. It is quite possible KDE may be a victim of this disease. KDE is so close to being perfect (in design) but they have gone one step too far with Nepomuk, strigi, and akonadi. Hopefully they will realize this soon and not continue on that path of death. If KDE continues to add things carelessly it will certainly lead to its downfall.

+1. My hat's off to the developers up until this point. KDE is slick, very visually appealing and loaded with great features (IMO). However, forcing the evil triples on users now makes is evident that 'they' sold out to the 'social networking' obsession. This bunch, for the most part, has no regard for the concept of privacy - a vary rare & precious commodity nowadays - making KDE a system that can't be trusted with private/confidential data.

It has begun. All 16 users in our group wiped our systems clean of KDE and its programs yesterday, put Windows back for temporary use and begun the process of building new machines based on XFCE. And what a pleasant surprise it was - discovering how far along XFCE has come. This just might be the best thing that could have happened (as far as we're concerned).

Agreed. I use KDE every now and then, and afterwards always find bits and pieces of things I thought I had deleted using "Sweeper." Very reminisce of ms-winblows.