Yes that's what I see too, just the applications fonts. I kind of like the change, sort of...

Nah it's quite ugly. It should be fixed. Reverted to previous version in the while.

Well I guess we will have to disagree on this.

glibmm-2.64.5
https://download.gnome.org/sources/g...-2.64.5.tar.xz

Actually, I am wondering if it is a kde issue only. I noticed that the font that kde was using in my settings was "Noto Sans [Goog]". However, if I try to set the fonts again, it is called "Noto Sans" without the "[Goog]" bit. Resetting all the kde fonts to "Noto Sans" and restarting the GTK apps fixes the problem for me on two different machines.

I am not sure what prompted the change of names but a lot have changed recently, including fontconfig and GTK3. It could be that GTK3 is quite strict about font names whereas qt5 seems to happily use "Noto Sans" when asking for "Noto Sans [Goog]".

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I'm puzzled why pat would put in 4.14 if he was thinking about upgrading in the end to 4.16. My guess is that he wants to avoid 4.16 because of the controversial CSD that 4.16 is enforcing and avoid another heated debate in the slackware community.

It could've been getting the prep work done, because the 4.12 to 4.14 jump was a port to a new toolkit (GTK3) and possibly required other under-the-hood changes. 4.16 *might* be a more minor update as far as dependencies and the base system as it is starting to add features once the port to GTK3 was done (I say *might* because I have no idea for sure).

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I was playing around with this. I set fonts to the default in System Settings, Fonts, Fonts on reload of GTK apps fonts are back to the way there were before. Or at least not the fonts being use previously. That Noto Sans [Goog] has been there for a while. I noticed it before the fontconfig version upgrade.

Saw that fontconfig was reverted to the latest known working version (2.13.92). Thanks Pat!

KDE Plasma 5.20.4 hits the streets.

https://kde.org/announcements/plasma-5.20.4/
https://download.kde.org/stable/plasma/5.20.4/

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Hey pat. You really should have mwm listed as a window manager in xwmconfig if one has motif installed. I didn't know for the longest time this hidden wm was available until I read about it. This wm is just as usable as twm and should be listed rather than hidden away.

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I will take a chance by adding my opinion here regarding the inclusion (or not) of XFCE 4.16:

Since we (as the community) are preparing for the 15.0 release, historically the X.0 releases being "game changers" and "new bringers", I see no good reason for Pat to skim on shipping the latest and greatest, and the 4.16 certainly seems to be past the "troubled waters" and brings even more of the "dreaded GTK-3" to bear?

Only good reason to shy away from 4.16 would be if 15.0 is so close (biting tongue & crossing fingers) that we don't have time to wait out for the 4.16.z release to become stable enough

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Thank your for this! fontconfig-2.13.93 messed up with style default fonts under Fluxbox (fonts under menus have changed from lucida-sans, the default, to something that remembers me of times-news-roman - not sure of it, but menus became ugly). Back to normal.

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There is a bug with mwm. With the xwmconfig script for current, 14.2, and others since 2012 it is listed under skel for xwmconfig. But it never shows up for me either in 14.2 or current. This needs to be fixed because mwm is supposed to be showing up in xwmconfig.

Edit: If I could clarify further what I think is wrong pat, motif doesn't have the xinitrc patch for the slackbuild while xfce,windowmaker,fvwm, and fluxbox for example have it. All you need to do pat is just make sure that the xinitrc patch is made for mwm and xwmconfig will find it.

The latest Gimp can be built against libheif and friends to enable support for avif import and export. I am about to compile it all together myself (most required build scripts are available on SBo) but it would be nice to have support for avif in Gimp 'out of the box'.

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