You still can do that.

BUT, if the trend continues, you will either have to rebuild the entire Plasma, or to enjoy your Pampers too.

BTW, your build script for Kate worked like a charm. Again, thousand thanks for helping me to solve the issue really fast.

As others said, this is not the Slackware fault that you can not run Kate as root. I myself prefer Slackware to ship what the upstream want. Also, bear in mind that Plasma is not the official Kde flavor for Slackware yet.

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Looking back, looks like Slackware has no issues to strongly disagree and to fight against some of the upstream ideas, and to even look for alternative solutions? The name SystemD rings a bell for you?

That's why we have there the ConsoleKit and PolicyKit anyway. And God knows what else.

Things like that are what make me to suspect that they agree with those particular upstream ideas, then is all about "trust your users no more."

Still, the early signs of "babysitting" are already present officially in Slackware, proof is soma, that little player, which refuse to work as root for whatever reasons.
So says soma under root, before quitting. Tested that myself.

Look, their actual implementation of the denial of usage for particular users with administrative rights is rather naive and inefficient, but lousy.

Because ANY user from the group "root" has root alike access rights, not only the USER EINZ.

BUT, if they intend to really limit the access of the users with administrative rights to particular programs, they have a proper way: the user access policies of SystemD.

IF they go this way, the future Plasma would arrive to hard depends on SystemD features and would give you an spectacular crippled experience, with all the UAC fun.

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What I find strange and shocking is that (supposedly) the Slackware accepts to play on this game of "protecting the users from themselves", because this is so... un-Slackware.

Remember the slogan "Slackware is for the power users" ?

LuckyCyborg,

you are mixing things. Slackware prefers not to tinker at the software it ships. However, it is Slackware's choice _what_ to ship.

travis explained it correctly. You are misinterpreting his words.

don't go there man. Seriously. And in fact if you need systemd so badly, just switch to one of the many distros that _prefer_ systemd.

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I used it just as example of feature where Slackware strongly disagreed with the upstream. With all of them.

And no, I do not need it badly, even I am aware that I used it for several years. It done its job, myself I ignored it and leaved it alone. No strings attached.

Okay, it boots faster the OS, but maybe that observation is subjective.

your example is wrong. Do you understand what 'upstream' means?

As in software developers, the guys who produce the soft?

I think there is at least one case where Eric had to intervene to KDE developers and he arrived to have even a very heated discussion about a presumptive small but hard dependency of KDE on Poettering's mind child.

So, yes, there is proof that they "dared" to strongly disagree with the upstream(s) in the past.

right.

The fact that Slackware chooses a boot system other than systemd, does not make Slackware "disagreed with the upstream".

@solarfields

See my previous post, I think about that refer @LuckyCyborg too.

PS. Somewhere Eric has even a blog post about this story, I will show you, if you do not believe.

It's silly that this issue has gotten so much discussion. Why do you need to run Kate as root anyway? There are a million other non-X text editors that people normally use when they are root.

I mean, I get that it's a matter of principle. But it's just not important.

i saw it, but this is more of an exception. Anyway, I am done here.

@montagdude

No more silly than having the ability to still use Kdevelop, even it is basically an Extended Kate.

Oh, and there are million other graphical editors than Kate, some open source, others not, every one of them with its little brilliant features.

You pointed right: first of all it is a matter of principle, but secondly the Kate is my favorite editor, even I bought editors in the past. For example:

https://www.jetbrains.com/phpstorm/
https://www.sublimetext.com/

And why I prefer to edit some thousands of files under root account, that's another tale. Which could be some specific usage, or just a preference.

I think it's just a matter of habit, when it does not work the way you want it disturbs you

but I understand that it raises a question of substance also.

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