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Old 07-22-2020, 05:21 AM   #421
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instead of keep assigning work to others (remember that we don't work for you), why don't you tell us?
use it for a while with current and then report to us your experience.
RadicalDreamer assigned, I did not :-)

Pkgsrc was ported to many platforms including linux, sure it works. The only thing is that without a hack you would have second set of base packages as dependencies somewhere in /usr/local.

But still, it's less efforts than significant changes to old-stable SB scripts.

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Old 07-22-2020, 05:33 AM   #422
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Pkgsrc was ported to many platforms including linux, sure it works. The only thing is that without a hack you would have second set of base packages as dependencies somewhere in /usr/local.

But still, it's less efforts than significant changes to old-stable SB scripts.
these are just your conjectures and you (not anybody else) have to test them to prove them against what already works...
until then sorry, I'll keep using what works, I have a job to do and no time to waste.

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Old 07-22-2020, 05:50 AM   #423
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Why is everybody feeding this troll again? Don't you think he/she/it was fed enough in the other thread?
 
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Old 07-22-2020, 06:52 AM   #424
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You can't prove otherwise.
That, too, is wrong.
Begone, you walking corpse. Bother us not. Go beneath the earth where you belong. You will find no meal from me. Only righteous derision and valiant opposition to your energy vampire desires.

To engage me is to receive insults, and those do not drain me, they invigorate me.
There is nothing I, or anyone could do to you that would generate even an iota of pity or empathy from within me.

I genuinely, unironically think that if you actually stopped existing, that the world overall would be better. I truly loathe you and your kind and I truly wish nothing but ill upon you.

There will never be knowing and intentional discourse with me, regarding you. Only a burning desire for you to pick up any sort of habit or activity that shortens your unnatural lifespan, relieving the planet from your malignant revenant perversion of the circle of life.

You, exorcised of all human spirit, decency and the spark of creativity, you, perverter of human enlightenment, you inversion of all the striving of humanity to reach a state that exceeds previous achievements.

Horrendous apparition, become one with the dirt. The dead should not speak, nor should they crawl and writhe to accost the living, they should not cling to our feet and drag us down.
Cease your moaning, embrace your voidlike nature and seek the peace, the quiet sleep your kind should be sleeping.

Bleck, bleck, shoo, shoo, lame man. Lame person. Refrigerator of vigor. Be waved away with a sneer on my face. Bleck. Bleck bleck. Shoo.

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Old 07-22-2020, 07:20 AM   #425
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That, too, is wrong.
Begone, you walking corpse. Bother us not. Go beneath the earth where you belong. You will find no meal from me. Only righteous derision and valiant opposition to your energy vampire desires.

To engage me is to receive insults, and those do not drain me, they invigorate me.
There is nothing I, or anyone could do to you that would generate even an iota of pity or empathy from within me.

I genuinely, unironically think that if you actually stopped existing, that the world overall would be better. I truly loathe you and your kind and I truly wish nothing but ill upon you.

There will never be knowing and intentional discourse with me, regarding you. Only a burning desire for you to pick up any sort of habit or activity that shortens your unnatural lifespan, relieving the planet from your malignant revenant perversion of the circle of life.

You, exorcised of all human spirit, decency and the spark of creativity, you, perverter of human enlightenment, you inversion of all the striving of humanity to reach a state that exceeds previous achievements.

Horrendous apparition, become one with the dirt. The dead should not speak, nor should they crawl and writhe to accost the living, they should not cling to our feet and drag us down.
Cease your moaning, embrace your voidlike nature and seek the peace, the quiet sleep your kind should be sleeping.

Bleck, bleck, shoo, shoo, lame man. Lame person. Refrigerator of vigor. Be waved away with a sneer on my face. Bleck. Bleck bleck. Shoo.
Gayst, you probably need medical attention. Don't disregard your doctor's prescriptions if you have any.
 
Old 07-22-2020, 08:02 AM   #426
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@I.G.O.R

You can't have a rational, technical discussion with people who believe that Slackware is not widely used because others are not smart enough, and not because every decision P.V. made and every strong opinion he had in the last 20 years were dead wrong.


Cheers
 
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Old 07-22-2020, 08:17 AM   #427
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@I.G.O.R

You can't have a rational, technical discussion with people who believe that Slackware is not widely used because others are not smart enough, and not because every decision P.V. made and every strong opinion he had in the last 20 years were dead wrong.


Cheers
Lol yeah, that's rational. Why is this thread still open?
 
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Old 07-22-2020, 08:28 AM   #428
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You can't have a rational, technical discussion with people who believe that Slackware is not widely used because others are not smart enough, and not because every decision P.V. made and every strong opinion he had in the last 20 years were dead wrong.
Does every distro need to become Fedora? Is that what you really want?
 
Old 07-22-2020, 08:38 AM   #429
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I feel hurt! I did a partial install and reported it, and seemingly nobody noticed! I agree with LuckyCyborg that a full Slackware install is bloated. I have enough disk space for it (most of my hard drive is unused) but I also have a monthly download limit, so 3GB disc images are not for me.

So I installed what I knew I needed and gradually got it all to work by adding dependencies as I tracked them down. Most of them are additional libraries and you can easily identify lost libraries by using ldd on the executable. Non-library dependencies usually announce themselves through helpful messages from the programs themselves.

In the end I only hit one real problem: a message that appeared to reference a lost library which I knew I had. So I asked the community and someone helpfully explained that it was a python message and therefore must refer to the python binding for said library, not the library itself. No one told me go away and do a full install.
 
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Old 07-22-2020, 09:13 AM   #430
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Does every distro need to become Fedora? Is that what you really want?
You are like AlienBOB making straight and brutal conclusions.

What about to be at least similar to Arch or Gentoo in a sense to look like solid and evolving distro?

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Old 07-22-2020, 09:17 AM   #431
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I feel hurt! I did a partial install and reported it, and seemingly nobody noticed!
Blasphemy!! Haha. (Bad joke)
People like you who know what they're doing can safely do a partial installation.
I love Slackware. I'm looking forward to 15.0.
 
Old 07-22-2020, 09:25 AM   #432
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I feel hurt! I did a partial install and reported it, and seemingly nobody noticed! I agree with LuckyCyborg that a full Slackware install is bloated. I have enough disk space for it (most of my hard drive is unused) but I also have a monthly download limit, so 3GB disc images are not for me.

So I installed what I knew I needed and gradually got it all to work by adding dependencies as I tracked them down. Most of them are additional libraries and you can easily identify lost libraries by using ldd on the executable. Non-library dependencies usually announce themselves through helpful messages from the programs themselves.

In the end I only hit one real problem: a message that appeared to reference a lost library which I knew I had. So I asked the community and someone helpfully explained that it was a python message and therefore must refer to the python binding for said library, not the library itself. No one told me go away and do a full install.
Yes, usually with ldd you can track most of the dependencies. The rest is from monitoring logs in console and /var/log/ directory. It's not that terrible, since the missing things are easy to find with 'slackpkg file-search' to identify package they belong to.
 
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Old 07-22-2020, 09:43 AM   #433
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... every decision P.V. made and every strong opinion he had in the last 20 years were dead wrong.
The decision to merge PAM included, I take it?

It's like shooting fish in a barrel.

With apologies to the rest of you for keeping this idiots' thread alive. Sometimes the way they shoot themselves in both feet is too glorious to resist.
 
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Old 07-22-2020, 11:25 AM   #434
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@I.G.O.R

You can't have a rational, technical discussion with people who believe that Slackware is not widely used because others are not smart enough, and not because every decision P.V. made and every strong opinion he had in the last 20 years were dead wrong.

Cheers
While I have considered Ignoring you, Ivandi, in the past I think this is a point that has some merit to discuss since it appears trivial to falsify. I don't think many people use Slackware because they think they are smarter. They just prefer simple but powerful control that others don't require. Most automobile drivers are quite content knowing nothing how that automobile works as long as turning the key starts it up and it has one pedal for Go and another for Stop along with a steering device. That doesn't make them any dumber than me who needs to comprehend the function of every device down to the bolts.

Now, even if I was the Only user of Slackware, that breaks your mold because I don't find that you or I.G.O.R have anything of any value to contribute to the Slackware community since those (we) folks often cite difficulties and problems but with an eye toward keeping Slackware identifiable as a different but cohesive entity as it is while fixing a few minor issues. You guys appear to prefer throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

Perhaps most importantly your very statement assuming Slackers look down on you unfairly as "not as smart" is why you and I.G.O.R feel so butthurt as to drive you to drive by shootings. It's non-productive, misinformed and rather childish. So please do that. Throw the baby out (Oh wait... you already did!) Move on. You have no business here but grousing that makes you appear silly.

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Old 07-22-2020, 11:34 AM   #435
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Why is everybody feeding this troll again? Don't you think he/she/it was fed enough in the other thread?
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Lol yeah, that's rational. Why is this thread still open?
I am reposting my reply #333.

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I think the reason why this and other troll threads don't get shut down is that they are generating advertising revenue for the board. The trolls and the mods are on the same side.

Click away, guys. You are the product.
Ed
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