I thought that Pat said somewhere here that he was "maintaining" lilo in the event that it needed attention.

But don't quote me on that.

Good point. Regardless, I was disappointed not to see them in KDE 5. I had just about reconciled myself to KDE 4 with Clearlooks/Plastique. The themes in 5 are dull and customisation (panel, title bars, pixel width of window frame) is limited.

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Qt/KDE is definitely lacking in themes compared to Gtk+. Thankfully, you can get Qt to emulate Gtk+ themes.

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Let's just quote Pat

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Just did an install of Arch in a VM with KDE-plasma on one of my Slackware64-current boxes. It has a minimal memory footprint. Light and fast.

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Still ugly as sin. (IMO)

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As far as I know xmms (which has a gtk1 interface) is effectively EOL as it had its last release (1.2.11) in 2007. The web page still exists but there is no activity. The forum and bugzilla url's don't work anymore.
XMMS2 is a different program, not a "next version" of xmms
(from wikipedia).

Eh, folks that like to compare release cycles with other distros: I'd like to remind you that release cycles are completely arbitrary, and what one distro chooses to do does not really have any bearing on what Slackware does. In all, I don't think there's any problem with how the releases have been done historically - and I've been using Slackware since it became Slackware. But over the past few years - at least to my perception - development cycles on many projects has accelerated. I'd say this is a good thing in general, but it does make it a bit harder to keep up, even if you're being selective in which updates you apply over time.

Now if I could only find a few minutes to update my system with Eric's most recent ktown updates. :-)

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It's not *that bad*, haha! I'm an XFCE user, but, if KDE-plasma arrives in -current I will run it.

I occasionally update the Slackware Wikipedia page. The LILO page is quite out of date, it would be good to write something about it but I don't know how official Pat's maintenance is.

Considering how few distros use lilo anymore, it probably isn't worth a mention.

LOL

I can't stand it. I wasn't a big fan of KDE4 and was dancing a jig when I found Willys CSB. Now KDE5 looks too much like (cough cough) Windows 10 for my taste.

I did run Alien's KDE5 a couple of times for maybe a day or two to give it a halfway fair shake, but I think that I'll stick with Cinnamon, XFCE, and FVWM as my mains. Although I'm having personal issues with XFCE on current.

So it's safe to say for me that even if Slackware 15 comes with no DE's, I'll still be happy.

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While it's great that you have alternatives and will be happy no matter what DE, or none, Slackware 15 comes with, I just have to ask how you consider your time in KDE5 "a fair shake" if you don't even explore how to make it look different than stock? I have to take your word that "stock" "looks too much like (cough cough) Windows 10" since I run Slackware Linux and the last time I booted Windows it was v7, well over a year ago.

The point is that while we all have our preferences one of the reasons that haters consider KDE "bloated" is because it has extreme configurability and can be configured to look and behave anyway one desires. Also since you weren't a fan of KDE4 did you ever use KDE3x?.. and are you aware that many chose Gnome because they thought KDE3x looked too much like Win95/98/XP? From my POV the best Linux distros are like Kit Cars - one can put any body style, rims and paint job you want but "the drive train" is where the power resides. Ideally, Form simply follows Function. After that, any chrome and pin stripes is whatever twirls ur beanie, right?

Sure, however, have we seen Pat do any actual work on lilo? Do we know that KDE4 /needs/ any work done to it? Can we say KDE4 is entirely unmaintained, when its included in Slackware and Pat might apply patches too it? or are we just conjecturing about things largely?

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