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Maybe the AMD Radeon cards are "dog fooding, so to speak" as Patrick Volkerding said, and like @stoffepojken said, they are shittiest in the world, but today they are the single discrete alternative which have actively maintained open-source drivers given by producer. If not Radeon, then what? On-board Intel which force you to go for an Intel CPU? Nouveau is still at the level of a hack.
Some of the nouveau developers will outright tell people to buy AMD instead of Nvidia. I'm not sure what the current dislike of AMD is in Linux related communities is about. Its like people are basing any opinions about them on the reportedly terrible windows drivers and the now legacy non-free flawed linux drivers without being capable of adapting to new realities. Just look at the mesa git history, a huge number of the work down is from AMD developers. So much so that I have open issues for nouveau regressions which were caused by AMD developers fixing things for AMD (Without testing other drivers...).
Once someone has a long standing prejudice against something it hard wires and they take longer than normal to adopt to a new reality that differs from their prejudice. The stone headed may never recognize their prejudice is invalid.
Aye. Or done his homework before he bought a shitty card and blame everybody else for what everybody in the Linux and Windows worlds know: Darth Vader bought a lemon video card.
My "lemon" video cards works fine either in Windows, Linux or FreeBSD, thank you.
I done my homework with great attention and I bought exactly what I need: something good enough to bring up a fully featured desktop, while consuming minimal electric power.
It is not their fault that some software is broken, and that's a fact demonstrated by reality: KDE4 and Plasma 5.13.1
Once someone has a long standing prejudice against something it hard wires and they take longer than normal to adopt to a new reality that differs from their prejudice. The stone headed may never recognize their prejudice is invalid.
I confess, I am prejudiced against broken software; specially when it is intended to replace a functional one, and the consumerist slogan "New! Now with more f*ck, yeah!" does not impress me.
However, I give credit where's the credit: Plasma 5.13.1 works, looks like a "beta" and even usable, even the earlier ones are some "alphas" which fails lamentably.
Last edited by Darth Vader; 06-28-2018 at 08:15 AM.
Mr. Hameleers, permit me to doubt that they aren't aware about certain issues, considering that they fixed them in 5.13.x
And you aren't the one who said from your own experience that they ignore as being irrelevant the bug reports from Slackware, because it lacks certain features present in other 99% of Linux distributions?
It may have been an unintentional fix when they changed something that triggers the bug. I doubt those cards are even on their radar unless someone complains.
No, that's not how things are done. You know well that the bug is on the software side, not the packaging side; otherwise you would have been complaining that Eric is a bad maintainer instead of spreading FUD that the KDE devs don't know what they are doing or that they are beholden to corporate interests or whatever. You are the one with the hardware that produces the error, not Eric. Moreover, Eric has asked you multiple times to report the bug, so obviously he does not agree with your take. Yet here you are, ranting, complaining, spreading FUD, with precious little of what you post actually representing useful information, and always coming up with an excuse for why someone else should put in the actual work.
However is obviously someone put in the actual work already, as they magically fixed these misfeatures on Plasma 5.13.1 even without my intervention. As I expected, they knew about them already.
So, I am fine, thank you. With Plasma 5.13.1 and probably with the next ones.
Last edited by Darth Vader; 06-28-2018 at 08:21 AM.
It may have been an unintentional fix when they changed something that triggers the bug. I doubt those cards are even on their radar unless someone complains.
My friend, these cards has flooded the world. Only myself I know around 20 people using them in real life, and not only from Romania. Did you really believe that they wasn't aware by those issue? Myself no.
In fact, in Romania, if you buy a brand new computer with no on-board graphics, if they ask you which video you want and you respond "desktop only, no gaming" is most likely to end up with a Radeon HD 5450 or 6450. It is the "stantard". OK, you may get also an AMD Radeon R5 230/235 which is highly similar.
Last edited by Darth Vader; 06-28-2018 at 08:28 AM.
I confess, I am prejudiced against broken software; specially when it is intended to replace a functional one, and the consumerist slogan "New! Now with more f*ck, yeah!" does not impress me.
However, I give credit where's the credit: Plasma 5.13.1 works, looks like a "beta" and even usable, even the earlier ones are some "alphas" which fails lamentably.
They will fix stuff that happens in Plasma 5 but KDE4 they refuse. Your opposition to working through the system is making your opinions irrelevant. Plasma 5 needs more testing by testers who actually will do bug reports to KDE so Plasma 5 is ready for Slackware 15.
Also KDevelop4 is broken. If Kate from KDE 4 was broken what would you do? You'd probably demand that the library updates that broke it be downgraded permanently.
My friend, these cards has flooded the world. Only myself I know around 20 people using them in real life, and not only from Romania. Did you really believe that they wasn't aware by those issue? Myself no.
In fact, in Romania, if you buy a brand new computer, they ask you which video you want and you respond "desktop only, no gaming" is most likely to end up with a Radeon HD 5450 or 6450. It is the "stantard". OK, you may get also an AMD Radeon R5 230/235 which is highly similar.
I think the issue is there because people who create Plasma 5 aren't using them themselves & without bug reports they are oblivious to the whole issue. These people probably have beefy computers to work on Plasma 5 with NVIDIA GTX 1080 Ti and AMD Vega 64 beasts alongside their Ryzen and Coffeelake CPUs. They probably assume that upstream feature sets are okay to use. If a tree falls in the woods & no one is around to hear it does it make a sound? Does the bug actually exist in their minds if no one reports it? No.
They fixed already the bugs in 5.13.1 and I think this is relevant.
I am not in measure to consider if these bugs are generated by software or its packaging, I do not know the features enabled at build-time and these disabled, I do not know what build flags was used, and may other things, then even myself I will fill a bug report for KDE, and they dismiss me as being Slackware specific, I cannot defend my position.
Howeever, we do even know if isn't really Slackware specific, generated by certain parts of it, maybe too new X.org, too new drivers, too new MESA, build flags, etc?
Last edited by ZhaoLin1457; 06-28-2018 at 08:42 AM.
If a tree falls in the woods & no one is around to hear it does it make a sound?
That's a good one!
I like this saying.
BUT, still I strongly believe they know already from long time what and how. Remember there are two distributions, much bigger than us and strong focused in KDE software. (Open)SuSE and KUbuntu. They must be observed from long time.
BTW, the issue aren't 5.12 LTS specific, I observed them in the previous versions too.
Last edited by Darth Vader; 06-28-2018 at 08:52 AM.
ZhaoLin1457, you can defend your position. Just post screenshots proving your problem exists and then whatever information they ask regarding hardware etc. Tell them it works fine in 5.13.1. The bug report system asks what version you were using and what package (it has Slackware packages listed as an option). That should be enough for them to know. I assure you they don't bite: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=387191
Just state the facts regarding the problem and be polite is what I do. Since you are using open source packages instead of a closed source binary they can investigate the issue. If I had that card I would do bug reports.
Last edited by RadicalDreamer; 06-28-2018 at 08:53 AM.
BUT, still I strongly believe they know already from long time what and how. Remember there are two distributions, much bigger than us and strong focused in KDE software. (Open)SuSE and KUbuntu. They must be observed from long time.
BTW, the issue aren't 5.12 LTS specific, I observed them in the previous versions too.
A bug report won't hurt anything. Can you demonstrate that those users have filed a bug report on your issue and that it is a known quantity? They exist because you didn't file bug reports in the previous versions!
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....Also I have a third computer, having an NVidia GeForce 210, an AMD Athlon 7850 CPU and 4GB RAM, where I am stuck on Nouveau and the lower clocks that card can, which apparently works with Plasma5 - but trying to install the propietary drivers from SlackBuilds.Org ended with an uterly failure, and a unusable Plasma5 desktop. Maybe my knowledge is limited, but NVidia looks being very dificult to setup, compared with AMD Radeon and Intel.....
As I've said before, my experience has been the opposite and, IMHO, Nvidia drivers direct from Nvidia, not SBo, are easier to set up and use than ATi/AMD.
At this time, the proper Nvidia driver for your GeForce-210 card would be version 340.107, and is available from here,
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