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Old 03-04-2022, 08:18 PM   #16
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Thanks guys. I'm still struggling to get that damn pulseaudio to behave itself and derp out, every login I have to reset the damn thing because it loses every connection to my devices.

Also struggling to get my 5700XT to have any good tools to tweak my graphics and performance, but I'm okay with the auto clock for now.
 
Old 03-04-2022, 11:26 PM   #17
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I remember reading your posts years ago, noticed you disappeared and thought you maybe got gobbled up by that poettering thingy, welcome back, sit, stay.
 
Old 03-05-2022, 12:45 AM   #18
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15.0 w/ MultiLib and Steam+Proton works really nice on many systems. Wine is improving a lot though which is nice to see. Not all is perfect yet though, but it's getting there slowly but surely.
If you're only using multilib for steam and wine, you might be interested in looking into conty. It's an unprivileged container running Arch and it has full multilib support built in and is able to run on a pure-64bit host. I don't use wine at all, but steam works beautifully and comes included with it.

I talk more about it here. (Not the developer, just a fan.)
 
Old 03-05-2022, 08:00 AM   #19
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I remember reading your posts years ago, noticed you disappeared and thought you maybe got gobbled up by that poettering thingy, welcome back, sit, stay.
I didn't get gobbled up. My storage disk took a complete dump and because my SSD was space limited (256GB) Slackware kind of got sacrificed so I could keep the system working. I ended up doing gaming and streaming on Twitch, Facebook, and YouTube for a bit.

The whole thing with systemd is done. It's been chopped up and parts made into other projects, so at any rate, FOSS won in the end, and choice prevailed. It kind of always does. Though honestly, looking back, I wouldn't have done it differently, and probably nobody would have truth be told. If nobody speaks out on an issue, then everyone is complacent and the status quo is strengthened even if its not for the best. If just even one person speaks out then there is challenge to the status quo, debate, discord, and ideas emerge.
 
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Thanks guys. I'm still struggling to get that damn pulseaudio to behave itself and derp out, every login I have to reset the damn thing because it loses every connection to my devices.

Also struggling to get my 5700XT to have any good tools to tweak my graphics and performance, but I'm okay with the auto clock for now.
Swapping out pulseaudio for pipewire seemed to solve a lot of the device management issues I was having with pulse. But it has been a trade off since pipewire has some fun glitches when it comes to games
 
Old 03-05-2022, 11:30 AM   #21
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If just even one person speaks out then there is challenge to the status quo, debate, discord, and ideas emerge.
yes, I agree, as in this.
 
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Old 03-05-2022, 04:47 PM   #22
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Swapping out pulseaudio for pipewire seemed to solve a lot of the device management issues I was having with pulse. But it has been a trade off since pipewire has some fun glitches when it comes to games
Does it require any rebuilding packages or is it a drop-in replacement package?

Mainly, pulse misbehaves at loading the user profile. If I restart pulse via the daemon script it behaves fine, though it's not the preferred method.

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Old 03-05-2022, 05:11 PM   #23
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Does it require any rebuilding packages or is it a drop-in replacement package?

Mainly, pulse misbehaves at loading the user profile. If I restart pulse via the daemon script it behaves fine, though it's not the preferred method.
in 15.0 pipewire is installed as a dependency for something else. It's ready to go, but pulse is configured as the default. If you look at the launchers in /etc/xdg/autostart it's pretty self explanatory.

Pipewire includes a pipewire-pulse daemon that provides an interface for pulseaudio applications. As long as that is running then it works as a drop-in replacement.
Code:
$ ps -A |grep pipe
 1811 ?        00:22:16 pipewire-pulse
 1817 ?        00:09:55 pipewire
 1823 ?        00:00:01 pipewire-media-
I'm still trying to figure out what options there are for tweaking, since it has some minor issues with games that do a lot of positional audio.
 
Old 03-06-2022, 05:53 AM   #24
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What I don't get about Windows is why are Windows updates so slow to apply? My CRUX box applies updates faster, and that compiles from source! If I 'nice' the builds (which I always do), I can also use my machine without noticing any performance hit while CRUX is doing the builds in the background. This is more than I can say for Windows which just completely bogs down while updates are running. If it's not the updates bogging it down, it's the Windows defender scan — which I have no control over when it runs — or some "Compatibility telemetry" process that's doing god only knows what. I also don't have to reboot countless times while updating my linux box: only when the kernel is updated.

I have a Windows partition on my laptop, but I only keep it "just in case" and only ever boot it to apply updates once in a while. Despite its flaws I was quite content with Win 2000/XP. After that it went seriously down hill!

Microsoft products were never "good", but somewhere down the line they completely lost the plot. I've never seen a company so hell-bent on losing their market dominance.

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Old 03-06-2022, 08:05 AM   #25
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It's because lately, every update installs a huge load of packages into the main system. Small fixes end up as a quarter system reinstall, and don't get me started on the Insider editions. That's a whole system reinstall.

I just don't like UserMode Pulse because it nerfs out half my audio devices by default. If I run the daemon script to start it as a service, the whole thing works without an issue.

It's the usermode autostart that's broken to no end.
 
Old 03-06-2022, 12:57 PM   #26
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I have a Windows partition on my laptop, but I only keep it "just in case" and only ever boot it to apply updates once in a while. Despite its flaws I was quite content with Win 2000/XP. After that it went seriously down hill!

Microsoft products were never "good", but somewhere down the line they completely lost the plot. I've never seen a company so hell-bent on losing their market dominance.
Most likely the same point where Vista came out, I've never had it personally but I've seen the initial release version.
It was kinda like KDE-4.0 compared to KDE-3.5 but much worse feature wise, not very stable, limited hardware support, etc.
For this reason I've stayed away from windows for a very long time, IIRC I've only tried 64bit win7 first time 5 or 6 years ago.
XP is still the last good win32 system today, I think the newer ones just devolve more and more every year to attract mobile users.

Anyway, to stay on topic, welcome back ReaperX7

The "usermode autostart" has requirements, groups/permissions I think Slackware does not set this up automatically.
I don't use pulse, but I've seen some script is shipped with pulse, that lets it run as user without the daemon..
 
Old 03-06-2022, 01:39 PM   #27
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What I don't get about Windows is why are Windows updates so slow to apply?
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Given that devs at Microsoft don't have a basic CS education it's a miracle that their updates apply at all.
https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/...s/ba-p/3049447

Turns out they have a nasty habit of encoding date strings as numbers and apparently you Can’t Convert “2201010001” to a long int! I wonder how many other ass-hatted design flaws there are causing hiccups and bottlencks in basic situations.
 
Old 03-06-2022, 03:27 PM   #28
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.......Despite its flaws I was quite content with Win 2000/XP......
Ditto. By the time they reached Service Pack 3, it wasn't bad at all. It did everything I needed
and/or wanted to do with a personal computer.
If I absolutely had to use ms-windows, XP would be my choice, provided one could find updated software applications for it, which are simply not available. You can't even install it on a "modern" computer. Oh, well..... Typical mickeysoft. They finally get something right and then turn around and screw it up (on purpose, no doubt)

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Old 03-06-2022, 07:11 PM   #29
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Despite its flaws I was quite content with Win 2000/XP. After that it went seriously down hill!
Agreed! Win 2000 was the best; back in the day I had a Win 2000/Suse dual boot. I'm thoroughly enjoying this thread. I'm considering -current for this Lenovo; the 5.16.12 kernel has a chance at working.

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Old 03-07-2022, 02:59 PM   #30
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I got Linux working on the Lenovo Legion. Windows free in my house again.
I used a Debian 11.2.0 netinstall ISO with non-free firmware. Everything seems to work. So in my house I have three Slackware units, two Debian units, and an OpenBSD laptop.
 
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