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View Poll Results: Should Pat just drop KDE?
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Old 11-26-2019, 08:29 PM   #346
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I haven't been keeping up. Is Wayland even robust yet? I know it's been around a long time but I've read some stuff is just easier with Xorg and frustrating to Wayland. What's the current consensus?
From what I've read, Gnome has better support for Wayland than KDE does, but that's expected because it's developed by the same people (I think?). Wayland itself is a relatively simple display server, and as far my own limited knowledge goes, it is fairly complete by now. Most of the work is on the implementation side, meaning the desktop environments themselves have to implement the protocol.

https://wayland.freedesktop.org/faq.html
 
Old 11-26-2019, 09:18 PM   #347
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From what I've read, Gnome has better support for Wayland than KDE does, but that's expected because it's developed by the same people (I think?). Wayland itself is a relatively simple display server, and as far my own limited knowledge goes, it is fairly complete by now. Most of the work is on the implementation side, meaning the desktop environments themselves have to implement the protocol.

https://wayland.freedesktop.org/faq.html
One of the reasons I asked is because I watched a video of a symposium in Australia by a Wayland dev who said it was going to take some time because "it's REALLY hard" which is how Xorg became messy in the first place. It is something of a crazy quilt that took decades to evolve, something like that Johnny Cash song about a parts Cadillac.
 
Old 11-27-2019, 06:18 AM   #348
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Why all the talks about wayland?
There's no reason to use wayland.
 
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Old 11-27-2019, 08:44 AM   #349
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Why all the talks about wayland?
There's no reason to use wayland.
More of a tangent actually as it was alluded it was required for Plasma 5.
 
Old 11-27-2019, 10:33 AM   #350
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@ khoilog & kikinovak - What are these "many odd flaws" of which you speak?
You tell me.

I've been using Plasma 5 on OpenSUSE for the last couple years or so, and it just works.

This is why I used quotes around "many odd flaws", because I know of none.

Cheers.
 
Old 11-27-2019, 04:28 PM   #351
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This is why I used quotes around "many odd flaws", because I know of none.
Ah, just so you know:
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These "many odd flaws" are largely the distributor's doing.
makes it sound like an authoritative statement (as in, you know about the flaws and you know that the distributors are to blame). If it was something like "Those 'many odd flaws' must be largely the distributor's doing", then the intended meaning would be conveyed
 
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Old 11-27-2019, 04:44 PM   #352
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This is why I used quotes around "many odd flaws", because I know of none.
Over the last several months I have extensively tested Debian, Arch, and openSUSE and I have not experienced many flaws in KDE-plasma.
I am looking forward to running KDE-plasma on Slackware when it arrives.
 
Old 11-28-2019, 05:03 AM   #353
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Ah, just so you know:

makes it sound like an authoritative statement (as in, you know about the flaws and you know that the distributors are to blame). If it was something like "Those 'many odd flaws' must be largely the distributor's doing", then the intended meaning would be conveyed
(Slightly OT.) These things happen when you don't use your native language. Reminds me of the time back at the university when I wanted to politely ask a professor if he intended to be busy for a long time with the copy machine, so I translated an expression from my native german into french, and the result was something in the line of "When will you bugger off?"

So, what I initially meant was:

1. I never encountered any flaws in Plasma 5.

2. If someone did, there's a fat chance it's the distributor's doing.

Cheers,

Niki
 
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Old 11-28-2019, 09:07 AM   #354
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(Slightly OT.) These things happen when you don't use your native language.
I guessed that this was the case, I also have difficulty sometimes in Spanish, differences of meaning in language can be very subtle!

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Reminds me of the time back at the university when I wanted to politely ask a professor if he intended to be busy for a long time with the copy machine, so I translated an expression from my native german into french, and the result was something in the line of "When will you bugger off?"
Haha yes, I've had such mishaps. Back in the class days I tried to describe a film about a guy free climbing a mountain (without a rope), and ended up saying that I watched a movie about a guy who scales mountains in the nude
 
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Old 11-28-2019, 09:25 AM   #355
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Haha yes, I've had such mishaps. Back in the class days I tried to describe a film about a guy free climbing a mountain (without a rope), and ended up saying that I watched a movie about a guy who scales mountains in the nude
Going off topic here, but one of my favourites is YouTube's automated captioning of "Unix" as "eunuchs".
 
Old 11-28-2019, 03:24 PM   #356
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Regarding about KDE4 and Plasma5 bugs induced by packaging made by distributions, with all respect to the venerable people here, I have an example for Slackware: the Darth's Bug.

This bug is specific for Slackware's KDE4 and propagate up to latest build of Plasma5 made by Mr. Hameleers, and it is about strange error messages when setting the clock from the applet of KDE4/Plasma5.

If I remember right, Darth Vader explained long time ago that it is produced apparently because of lack of PAM from Slackware and that only God knows how many other flaws are introduced in KDE4 or Plasma5 by this lack of PAM.

Please note that I am truly certain that this clock setting issue does not appear on Kubuntu or OpenSUSE, from my own experiences. Honestly, I do not tested KDE4 or Plasma5 also in Fedora, but I expect the same fine working.

Last edited by ZhaoLin1457; 11-28-2019 at 04:03 PM.
 
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Old 11-28-2019, 03:40 PM   #357
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There's also the possibility that other things are being worked in the background in addition to Plasma5 and Pat wants to make sure they all work when they are pushed out.

He could be working on things like Pam/Kerberos or Wayland and wants to make sure that when things are pushed out, that everything works as expected. Since those can cause fundamental changes in many different aspects of the system, it isn't something as simple as "let's see if plasma5 works"
The binary NVidia drivers don't work with Wayland.
 
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