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Old 07-24-2017, 01:27 PM   #31
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Unhappy NO_'feature'_Linux: a brutal body blow


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Oh, that would be Slackware, wouldn't it?
No, 'that' is the distro -I- like using: mll
where BusyBox is the only executable, there's NO /etc/passwd, telnetd -l /bin/sh
and thus bb is init, sh, implements dpkg&rpm (a bit), noGUI, ...
BYO bootloader & tinyconfig your kernel (but don't mount anything like /boot)
 
Old 07-24-2017, 07:40 PM   #32
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This is a good enough reason I think.. Anything that's missing documentation is probably hiding something, usually backdoors of some kind.
https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/
 
Old 07-25-2017, 10:17 AM   #33
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All the arguements against systemd you can ever ask for http://without-systemd.org/wiki/inde...md#Scope_creep

And thanks Doug_G!

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Old 07-25-2017, 10:55 AM   #34
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systemd'oh! DNS lib underscore bug bites everyone's favorite init tool, blanks Netflix
Repeat after me: _ is allowed in domain names
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A few Penguinistas spent a weekend working out why they can't get through to Netflix from their Linux machines, because when they tried, their DNS lookups failed.

The issue emerged July 22, when Gentoo user Dennis Schridde submitted this bug report to the Systemd project. Essentially, he described a failure within systemd-resolve, a Systemd component that turns human-readable domain names into IP addresses for software, like web browsers, to connect to. It's the thing that converts, say, theregister.co.uk into 159.100.131.165.

The Systemd resolver couldn't look up Netflix's servers for Schridde's web browser, according to the report. In his detailed post, Schridde said he expected this to happen:

ipv6_1-cxl0-c088.1.lhr004.ix.nflxvideo.net gets resolved to 37.77.187.142 or 2a00:86c0:5:5::142.

When in reality, that wasn't happening, so Netflix couldn't be reached on his box. His speculation that libidn2, which adds internationalised domain names support to the resolver, was at fault turned out to be accurate. Rebuilding Systemd without that library cleared the problem.

“I just rebuilt Systemd without libidn2 support and am now certain that the wrong behaviour is directly related to the -Dlibidn=false -Dlibidn2=true Meson flags,” wrote Schridde.

The library was stripping underscores from some domain names – such as Netflix's ipv6_1-cxl0-c088 node – and that caused everything relying on the resolver to fail, Schridde reported. This problem affects Systemd version 234, we're told.

If you're affected by this DNS problem, rebuild Systemd without libidn2, stop using Systemd as your resolver if possible, apply this temporary patch – or better yet, wait for libidn2 to be fixed to cope with underscores, which are, in special circumstances, allowed in domain names. What a mess. ®


https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/0...main_name_bug/
 
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Old 07-25-2017, 11:44 AM   #35
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You mean that a bug might occur with it
 
Old 07-25-2017, 01:41 PM   #36
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this thread should help further the discussion:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14733255

https://plus.google.com/+TheodoreTso/posts/EJrEuxjR65J
 
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Linus: “I no longer feel like I can trust ‘init’ to do the sane thing” (lkml.org)
350 points by cnst 15 days ago | hide | past | web | 339 comments | favorite
Ah Programming... SystemD is not very well praised.
 
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Pottering admits systemd's true objective, much more then init:
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Well, it is definitely our intention to gently push the distributions in
the same direction so that they stop supporting deviating solutions for
these things where there's really no point at all in doing so.
https://lists.freedesktop.org/archiv...er/000391.html

current thread
https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxmaster...0/systemd_now/

older threads
https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comme...d_itself_isnt/
https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comme..._with_systemd/
https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comme...t_controversy/
 
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Old 07-26-2017, 04:39 AM   #39
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Pottering admits systemd's true objective, much more then init:

https://lists.freedesktop.org/archiv...er/000391.html
Ouch. Really looks like he's going for a One True OS. Between that goal and the aforementioned feature creep, surely SystemD should be treated as a separate Linux-based OS in its own right, like Android? At least that looks like the direction it's heading.

Personally I've had some bad experiences with large, essentially-monolithic OSes, and don't like the idea of having one Poettering along on my hardware.
 
Old 07-26-2017, 06:39 AM   #40
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Arrow casync (1st mention of it on LQ!)

Looks like 'He's going for' casync. FAQ@bottom: "hosted under the github systemd umbrella"

2004: PulseAudio; 2010: systemd; 2016: casync (needs to be added here); 2022: ?
 
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Old 07-26-2017, 09:53 AM   #41
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Looks like 'He's going for' casync. FAQ@bottom: "hosted under the github systemd umbrella"

2004: PulseAudio; 2010: systemd; 2016: casync (needs to be added here); 2022: ?
What is casync ?? You forgot Wayland too!Some other thingss like Wayland?

I think that Windows'old user Linux engineers should create more stuffs. What about Start.elf and Explorer.elf? One file only, to control the Whole Gnome Linux OS System?
 
Old 07-26-2017, 10:04 AM   #42
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Old 07-26-2017, 10:22 AM   #43
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He could be going to be more famous that Linus making Linux/SystemD Operating System.

Originally it was for Gnome, which makes sense. It was too important to bring sysD on Gnome.
 
Old 07-26-2017, 10:36 AM   #44
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I'd just like to point out to those reading this thread who aren't in the know that the above quote was never actually said. It is a meme joke, fake news as it were, based on the words of Richard Stallman who said the same thing about GNU, not SystemD.
 
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Old 07-26-2017, 11:27 AM   #45
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Well, it is definitely our intention to gently push the hardware vendors in
the same direction so that they stop supporting deviating solutions for
these things where there's really no point at all in doing so.

Microsoft
I joke about it, but it does look strangely familiar, this statement.
 
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