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[*]The community should stop considering themselves to be "better" than other communities and acting like it. Honestly, you are not.
That's a general tribalism problem. You will find people like that in every operating system community. And in every programming language community. And in every sports community. And in every political community. And in every knitting community. And so forth.
Don't get me wrong, I hate it when Linux enthusiasts are rude to people that don't use Linux. But this particular terrible problem is not unique to Linux.
There is no binary redistribution of OpenBSD -stable ports unless you use mtier. There are also around 10,000 ports, whereas there are over 25,000 binary packages in Debian for any given architecture. So maybe not a useful comparison?
With that said, Debian often suffers from lack of maintainers. i.e. someone just loses interest and drifts away and a new maintainer does not step in, often for years or ever.
It's not the only example you'll find - many of these distributions are simply too big to maintain effectively - it's a given, as they mostly rely on volunteers. If you do some digging you will find a lot of packages which just get abandoned, but are never actually removed.
fluxbox 1.3.7 is a good example. To stick with your comparison with OpenBSD, it was included in OpenBSD 5.7-release back in 2015.
It's still not in Debian unstable - it entered experimental in 2015 and that's it...
There are also around 10,000 ports, whereas there are over 25,000 packages in Debian for any given architecture. So maybe not a useful comparison?
Remember that Debian's packages are not equal to *BSD's ports/packages, since Debian often has separate packages for things which are just a "flavor" in BSD.
Generalized response from me. A more perfect distro. It seems that no matter what distro I try I have to give something up to get other benefits. Example - I run Ubuntu 16.04 Server on my htpc / server. Main reason is MythTV packages in the repositories. Works great, but can't get a cups print server to configure correctly no matter what I try. It just won't work. Created a debian lxd container and cups is configured in less than a minute and working flawlessly.
On the flipside when I tried migrating my htpc / server to Debian, worked great except no MythTV packages in repos and I couldn't get LTSP to work. My pxe machines would only boot correctly 1 out of 10 times. Worked on this for most of a day when I went back to Ubuntu that night.
I want a distro that everything works perfectly, not some at the expense of others. I know it isn't intentional, just frustrating.
Last edited by jmgibson1981; 04-17-2018 at 12:21 PM.
For some reason I have the hardest time to get hardware to talk to linux especially printer.
Years ago I had Redhat connect to a printer. Out of about a half a dozen Linux destro and many different printers only one has worked.
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I agree with Tax Software, its the only reason why I keep Windows on a VM.
If I were younger I would say games, but since I grew up before games and remember when pong was the most awesome thing to go into a trance staring at, I am quite content with Linux games as well. I was quite fond of the old text only games as well, there was one about the old west, can't remember its name (see age stuff).
Hardware: would be nice to see more Linux hardware companies, I do like thinkpenguin.com and find their goals ambitious and worthy. But I have also had good luck with HP and Gateway so and all.
My comment concerns distributions rather than Linux and its extended ecosystem. What nearly all the distributions need is a good housecleaning. Every <bleep>-ing thing that has ever been is still in there someplace. Sound, printing, booting, launching applications: the list goes on and each one is an unfathomable pile of fractious packages. The 'infrastructure' layer between kernel and application is completely out of control and specifically denied as a matter of choice for me.
Example: I am the sole user of a three-workstation cluster, using KDE for engineering and CAD/CAM. Every minute I spend doing admin stuff or rebuilding newly broken applications creates a money-hole in my pocket. I am not (currently) physically impaired and I speak only one human language but I can not remove at-spi or localization any more than I can choose one init system, one sound system, one printing system, or one of nearly any other function. This is not the choice I seek.
If the authors/maintainers and the distribution packagers want to attract users, not just admin hobbyists, these issues need to be resolved. If, on the other hand, you just want to masturbate with your own code or fiefdom, please be honest about it. I will stop being an unpaid tester for you.
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Originally Posted by FredRenner
My comment concerns distributions rather than Linux and its extended ecosystem. What nearly all the distributions need is a good housecleaning. Every <bleep>-ing thing that has ever been is still in there someplace. Sound, printing, booting, launching applications: the list goes on and each one is an unfathomable pile of fractious packages. The 'infrastructure' layer between kernel and application is completely out of control and specifically denied as a matter of choice for me.
Example: I am the sole user of a three-workstation cluster, using KDE for engineering and CAD/CAM. Every minute I spend doing admin stuff or rebuilding newly broken applications creates a money-hole in my pocket. I am not (currently) physically impaired and I speak only one human language but I can not remove at-spi or localization any more than I can choose one init system, one sound system, one printing system, or one of nearly any other function. This is not the choice I seek.
If the authors/maintainers and the distribution packagers want to attract users, not just admin hobbyists, these issues need to be resolved. If, on the other hand, you just want to m̶̷a̶̷s̶̷t̶̷u̶̷r̶̷b̶̷a̶̷t̶̷e̶̷ with your own code or fiefdom, please be honest about it. I will stop being an unpaid tester for you.
perhaps a different distro. for you? Also, you may want to rethink that last sentence, especially with this being your second post.
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