Ok. I was wandering, you know, at 4 AM... the first day of holidays and I was mentally reviewing my participation on this forum and the people I get in touch with trough this forum.

I realized I don't really know any of you guys. I mean, not deep enough. So I started wandering, is everyone like me? so pathetic? Like, geeks with no life, addicts to linux and computers in general. All trekkers and trekies (you see why I'm saying pathetic... only a trekker or trekie would know the difference).

Anyway, I was thinking I'd like to know more about you, And I mean all of you. Because it takes a special kind of person to use and like Linux. And not everyone could do that.

I'd like to know a little bit more about you. things like why you like Linux, why is Linux such a big part of your lives that you actually take the time of reading this senseless thread. And how do you see yourself. I think this is the most important... because the self confidence is a part of being a Linux System Administrator (believing you can, I mean.)

Since this is not a technical question I would expect all kind of comments and replies and I would ask the moderators to be indulgent with this particular thread.

Anyway (just to show how crazy I am)... I was remembering the 60's (at least the stories I've heard) and the hippie movement changed the world. WHY can't we, linux freaks, change it again? Why don't we just hack into every single system and create general mayhem (Fight Club, If you didn't, watch it).

BTW I'm not so crazy during the day... It's just that it's 4 AM and I've been up since 7 AM... you can see why I'm so, SO drunk-like.


Like always, Save the penguin

http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...507#post178507

i think everything you after is already here if you look...

we don't mind you making threads like these, but something like this really truly belongs in just the General area. thanks.

It IS in the general area.

It's been moved from Linux-General (linux techie forums) to General (non-techie/non-*NIX related forums)

Ok. Anyway, That thread didn't answer my questions... I want to know more that just age and gender

most of it is about what you want.... everyone feels the urge to expand on their love of linux...

Two questions

1) that the hell were you doing up at 4 am? Linux related?
2) So what would you like to know?

A few days ago, I to was up until like 5 am. Downloading debian. Yeh thats a story. I spent 5 hours downloading the entire distro and at the end something went wrong (or I was just stuped ). To bad right. Any way I downloaded a iso image at school the next day so I had it any way.

I'm not really clear on the purpose of hacking into computers as you call it. I don't see what that has to do with Linux, and we have our profiles that contain info that we want everyone to see. I'm sure it is well intended, but not sure if it really would be something people do on an internet forum.

To support what David said - that's the whole idea of Open Source movement, everything you feel you want to share just spill it on the world let them see, and these sissies who are afraid of "hackers"/crackers/script-kiddies don't get it, here are some examples -
LQ - free board, you are posting messages - take up space, yada/yada/yada, do you see any nude pictures here? None
Example#2 - Wiki - http://linux-mm.org/wiki/moin.cgi - you create a page and invite everyone to be his own administrator of course with restricted rights or without them if you wish, take a look at the website - do you see any that say
Even if one did at some point people who are users fixed it up in a timely fashion.

Statistically more people get hacked when using windows than when using Unix-like OS. That is, in part, because windows has over 87% of the home market. I think that open source is good, and it was meant to share. Don't you wander some times why are there 5000 viruses for windows and for each virus for Linux?

There is no such thing as hackin into computers, It should be called cracking. A hacker is a person who love passionatley what he does and that is dedicated to experiment and develop that thing he loves. A cracker, instead, is a person who uses his knowdleg to steal or harm other peoples data. A hacker searches for security holes (or bugs) and then reports them or tries to correct them. a cracker uses them to gain acces to protected data.

The term Hacker and Cracker have been highly discussed over the years in many forums, It is a long long issue that has taken the attention of many hackers and crackers.

Today I've seen the perfect example of a Linux machine matching ALL windows capabilities. It was a simple Mandrake 9.0 with KDE3.0 But and intern, a friend of mine, not a very experienced Linux Administrator, installed a few things that made it as functional as windows and as usefull as linux. I now think that Microsoft's Empire is comming to and end (like ALL the empires did, Rome, Alexandros, Greek, etc)

schatoor: As I said, it was the first day of my holydays and I was so happy (and so addicted to that problem) that couldn't sleep. It was Linux related, I had a problem with my security and my samba... anyway... I fixed it.

With a lot more to say but no time,

Save the penguin

by 'mayor caos' do you mean 'major chaos'? If so I would say I like to create minor chaos. You have to use common sense instead of being blindly obedient. Sure laws and rules have their place, but sometimes those laws and rules need to be questioned because they may not be serving the interest of the general public as they should.

Case in point: our favorite whipping boy Microsoft. Even though they were found guilty in the anti-trust suit their punishment was little more than a slap on the wrist and an "ah shucks, Microsoft, will you ever learn?". Therefore I don't think you should ever pay for their software and if you have to use it you should pirate it. Sure it's illegal, but is your government protecting your interests when it comes to Microsoft? Unless you live in a few enlightened countries in Europe and South America I would say no.

So question whether the rules you are forced to live by are good ones, and if not, it's time for civil disobedience. Fight with your mind, not your hands.

As for Ciccio's suggestion to start cracking and 'creating mayhem' I don't think it's a good idea at all. It would destroy all the credibility that us 'linux phreaks' have been trying to build over the last ten years, and to accomplish what? If you want to crack something, crack into Microsoft and put in a banner that says "Bill Gates wants to run the free world" or something. Crack into kiddie-porn sites, and shut them down. Crack into MacDonalds and say "We've been making the world obese for over 50 years". Better yet, don't crack anything. Be constructive instead of destructive

Just more random nonsense from my deluded brain. . .

Its not McDonald's that makes people obese, its the people eating their food that makes themselves obese. McDonald's doesn't force you to eat their food, so the only person who's at fault is the person who decided to have a BigMac instead of a McSalad....
Saying that is like saying guns actually kill people. Oh I'm sorry your honor.. the gun made me shoot that innocent victim when he looked at me the wrong way !!

That's my rant for the day..

Just a quick note...

I would think that those of us who like Linux spread that around to others just in regular conversation or from answering questions.

As an example... I went to meat a friend at the local coffee house the other day, and I brought me new laptop to play with while I wait for them to show up. 2 people asked me what I was running, since they saw the Mac, Aqua, and Linux running virtually. I explained to them what I was running and when they asked me why I did not get a Windoze based system, I told them nicely.

Cracking into other computers will not help anything, except to spread distrust of hackers to even more people. Most people do not care or pay attention to the cracks in Windows, because to them, they have nothing that important. They refuse to see the bigger picture. Those people would not change their minds just because a whole bunch of computers got cracked.

Think before you act. I am confident enough in Linux, MacOS, and BSD variants to make M$ suffer considerable losses just by being out there are continuously improved.

I didn't mean cracking into other computers, What I meant was cracking serials and that stuff. (note that MOST serial-protected productos belong to Microsoft). I think the only FREE software microsoft has is IE (and not so free)

Yes, I think that we should create major chaos (sorry, my first language isn't english and at 4AM I'm not very awake) but with a certain order. We shoul all use pirated software, we should all exploit Windows's bugs, we should search those bugs and publish them in every single hacker/cracker site in the world.

And most important! we should show the world what linux is capable of, Using KDE you can have virtually every windows-based aplications, Using Wine (that needs a lot of debuggin yet) you can run almos all win32 binaries. What else could you ask for to a WM??? It has almost all windows capabilities and with a lot of other security capabilities and utilites. along with a text low-level based environment capable of editing binaries like text files. I think that Linux is replacing windows, slowly, but it will eventually dominate the market of home computing. WE CAN HELP THIS PROCESS, we can exagerate Windows's problems and help fix Linux's.

Cracking user computers won't help. Cracking windows servers and halting a company for even a few hours will teach them to improve security. The best way to improve security is using a Unix-based OS (or a stand alone server... not very usefull)

I finish most of my messages with 'Save the penguin ' NOW you can see why. I'm newbie to linux yet, but since the first day I used it I knew it would replace Windows.

I am confident on Unix's MacOS and BSD (even though i don't like it very much) too. But I think a little help wouldn't harm. Day to Day I see more and more aplications that were traditionaly windows-based that have linux source or binaries. I think this is a process that wil grow and eventually we will all use unix Systems. processors would be designed for Unix, there will be thousands of compiled kernels for each procesor. And people will actually KNOW how to use an OS. I can't ask my grand mother to use it, however I can ask my kids to do so. Evolutions, is pointing to Unix now.

I've written more that I wanted to and I'm now late for dinner, so I think I'll have to eat my penguin...

Again, Save the penguin