A Harbinger of the Return of 'Fair' Speech to Twitter?
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Lol, equity in action.
"Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
@AOC
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Nov 1
Lmao at a billionaire earnestly trying to sell people on the idea that “free speech” is actually a $8/mo subscription plan
My party abandoned me with its embrace of the gay agenda and abortion. Now, I vote for the lesser of two evils which for me is the GOP.
I don't get the connection. How do choices that don't involve you in the slightest constitute abandoning you? AFAIK there are no laws designed to protect ones' sensibilities, nor should there be. Free Speech, the freedom of self expression implies it is possible, nay expected, that some views will be offensive to some others. It is the cost of freedom.
As for "lesser of evils" and speaking as someone who has voted Libertarian 4 times, Democrat 3 times, and Republican 2 times, whether or not some persons want to be considered a legally binding group, or some family or even just the woman has good cause to not give birth seems far less evil to me than even contemplating, let alone working for, the end to elections and the end to separation of Church and State.
With Youtube's recent spate of de-monitization tactics aimed at channels promoting 2nd Amendment/firearms topics is Musk feinting or serious?
https://twitter.com/Erdayastronaut/s...15898870132736
Elon Musk replied
Everyday Astronaut
@Erdayastronaut
"If twitter could handle the full length feature videos that I produce and can offer a similar monetization system like YouTube does, I would consider uploading my full videos here too for sure."
and:
Elon Musk
@elonmusk
·
13h
Replying to
@Erdayastronaut
"We can do 42 min chunks at 1080 resolution now for new Blue, so you could break up a longer video. The 42 min limit should be fixed next month.
How does YouTube monetization work & what could Twitter do better?"
and:
Elon Musk
@elonmusk
·
14h
"Twitter will soon add ability to attach long-form text to tweets, ending absurdity of notepad screenshots"
Does living in a silo of libertarian billionaires while basking in the adulation of millions of online followers make Musk a safer custodian for this powerful channel of communication than the top executives he fired after closing the deal, or the public shareholders he has replaced? Of course it doesn't. Should he have taken my advice and stayed focused on Tesla? Of course he should. Will financiers and co-investors turn against him? Within months, I'd guess. And will the world be a happier place if Twitter self-destructs under his ownership? Yes, until something even more corrosive of truth and decency replaces it.
From my quote that you linked: "I'm a conservative first and a registered Democrat second." I have no problem proclaiming that my vote is formulated through the lens of my religon.
I'm not sure how you reach the conclusion that I'm working for 'the end to elections'?
Quote:
Originally Posted by enorbet
...seems far less evil to me than even contemplating, let alone working for, the end to elections...
From my quote that you linked: "I'm a conservative first and a registered Democrat second." I have no problem proclaiming that my vote is formulated through the lens of my religon.
I'm not sure how you reach the conclusion that I'm working for 'the end to elections'?
Simple, by allowing your private, spiritual belief system, which under the Constitution is private while our rights are about public behaviour, to formulate how you vote which in 2022 apparently supports a Party, rather than a platform of legal concepts, that supports establishment of a National Religion contrary to that Constitution. I contend that actually specified Separation of Church and State is one of the highest values any nation has ever chose to cast into written Law, literally rejecting the power of the government to legislate private morality.
Specifically you said you abandoned the Democratic Party when you perceived it abandoned you when it began to champion others' rights that have nothing to do with you beyond your sensibilities. It's not like Roe vs/ Wade or gay marriage requires anything of you beyond recognition of individual rights and freedom from persecution. While it may have been Evelyn Beatrice hall rather than Voltaire who originally wrote it, don't you as a champion of Free Speech subscribe to
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hall/Voltaire
I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend your right to say it to the death
?
Specific to elections The US Constitution makes no provision nor protection for elected officials to deny the validity of the vote, yet much of the republican Party, and most importantly those who are in control of it, now deny that validity of FUTURE election results, one to which no evidence of illegality yet exists, casting Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt on the very concept of elections. This in stark "ignore-ance" of the fact that most dictators followed the very same route of being elected and then cancelling elections. I consider this extremely worrisome.
I'm sorry my friend - it's nicely written but in the end your post is just a 'word salad' of deflection. You ascribed an action to me, working for "the end to elections" that I've never, IMO, intimated or suggested.
As for the Hall/Voltaire quote, sure I champion Free Speech. After the Texas v. Johnson case in 1989 there were several times I had to throttle the urge to do violence when I saw some one exercise 'Free Speech' by desecrating the American flag. Self restraint, why, because it's the law of the land, at least for now. That doesn't mean that I won't exercise every opportunity to vote Republican to possibly put more conservative Justices on the SCOTUS.
As for:
Quote:
Originally Posted by enorbet
...Specific to elections The US Constitution makes no provision nor protection for elected officials to deny the validity of the vote, ...
That is a fascinating subject worthy of it's own thread. Although I've gotton off track in the past I'm going to try to stick to the subject of Musk and the possible return of what I perceive to be more 'Fair' speech to Twitter.
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Enorbet seems to forget that it was Hillary Clinton who created the precedent that Trump followed in 2020. She led rioting mobs through the streets proclaiming that Trump was "not their president" because he had won on a minority vote. Oddly enough it didn't bother her at all that Lincoln and Kennedy had done the same because they were the good guys. In any case the Founding Fathers deliberately created a state-by-state voting system rather than a simple national majority vote precisely so that a couple of big cities could not gang up and outvote the rest of the country.
She tried to get the electoral college to renege on their constitutional duty by voting for her and not the candidate they'd been mandated to vote for. What was she thinking of?? To find a precedent for what she did, you'd have to go back to the southern democrats in 1860 who said that Lincoln was "not their president" because they hadn't voted for him. Which was true btw; his name didn't even appear on some southern ballots. But you'd hardly think those would be ghosts that any modern democrat would wish to raise, let alone that she was giving every defeated candidate from that year onward a licence to reject the polls.
Enorbet seems to forget that it was Hillary Clinton who created the precedent that Trump followed in 2020. She led rioting mobs through the streets proclaiming that Trump was "not their president" because he had won on a minority vote. Oddly enough it didn't bother her at all that Lincoln and Kennedy had done the same because they were the good guys. In any case the Founding Fathers deliberately created a state-by-state voting system rather than a simple national majority vote precisely so that a couple of big cities could not gang up and outvote the rest of the country.
She tried to get the electoral college to renege on their constitutional duty by voting for her and not the candidate they'd been mandated to vote for. What was she thinking of?? To find a precedent for what she did, you'd have to go back to the southern democrats in 1860 who said that Lincoln was "not their president" because they hadn't voted for him. Which was true btw; his name didn't even appear on some southern ballots. But you'd hardly think those would be ghosts that any modern democrat would wish to raise, let alone that she was giving every defeated candidate from that year onward a licence to reject the polls.
Great argument, had it ever happened. NONE of that happened, it is all lies. Clinton conceded, gracefully, honorably, at 2:30AM on Wednesday 9 November.
You do know that matters of history, like this one, are very easy to look up and confirm?
And that some of us were WATCHING at the time?
Great argument, had it ever happened. NONE of that happened, it is all lies. Clinton conceded, gracefully, honorably, at 2:30AM on Wednesday 9 November.
She is on record saying repeatedly that the 2016 election was stolen, as recent as last week. She also claims (presenting exactly zero evidence) that there are currently nefarious plans being enacted to repeat this "steal" in 2024.
I think she 'conceded' and then went on to call Trump illegitimate several times.
“No, it doesn’t kill me because he knows he’s an illegitimate president,” she said. “I believe he understands that the many varying tactics they used, from voter suppression and voter purging to hacking to the false stories — he knows that — there were just a bunch of different reasons why the election turned out like it did.” Emphasis mine. https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...40f_story.html
".
@ChelseaClinton
you LITERALLY sat next to your mom on
@TheView
in October 2019 when she called Trump an "illegitimate president."
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