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Old 01-23-2024, 12:30 PM   #16
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For example: because the user does not want to register for esm updates.
Why would you want to? I am against registering for 'anything' myself. KUbuntu continues to run just fine without esm. Registering is one of the reasons I have no running M$ OS systems around here. As soon as something asks me to sign up before installing ... It's a no go for me. Automatic updates was my other pet peeve of mine, and the 'must reboot'.... At least Linux in general allow me to pick and choose what and when to update and reboot.
 
Old 01-24-2024, 08:48 AM   #17
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...the mozilla team ppa supports modern firefox on ubuntu 16.04. Or the official Mozilla apt repo:
Code:
# Import the Mozilla APT repository signing key:
wget -q https://packages.mozilla.org/apt/repo-signing-key.gpg -O- | sudo tee /etc/apt/keyrings/packages.mozilla.org.asc > /dev/null

# Next, add the Mozilla APT repository to your sources list:
echo "deb [signed-by=/etc/apt/keyrings/packages.mozilla.org.asc] https://packages.mozilla.org/apt mozilla main" | sudo tee -a /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mozilla.list > /dev/null
And yes, snaps work if you want to go that way too.
Hello enigma9o7,

I am not technical but am from Willow Glen (SJ).

My goal with the browser is to preserve RAM in LIVE mode (not installed), so what I really what is a standalone version of Firefox (which is reasonable, they exist) in Ubuntu 16.

I use Puppy more where the task is easier because it runs as root by default, but I have to learn how to successfully execute a standalone in Ubuntu. It is not as straightforward as it seems.

If you were using Lubuntu 16 on a 32-bit device, where would you look for a Firefox snap newer than 65? This would be my first snap attempt.
 
Old 01-24-2024, 11:40 AM   #18
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Maybe check here - https://www.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefo...esktop-release
 
Old 01-24-2024, 12:20 PM   #19
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Dropping 32 bit support probably lost them a few users.
Probably also did not help that 18.04 lts is the last minimal release.
Used to be 32 bit Mint fluxbox isos, 32 bit Ubuntu spinoffs. Not no more.
 
Old 01-24-2024, 12:58 PM   #20
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Hello enigma9o7,

I am not technical but am from Willow Glen (SJ).

My goal with the browser is to preserve RAM in LIVE mode (not installed), so what I really what is a standalone version of Firefox (which is reasonable, they exist) in Ubuntu 16.

I use Puppy more where the task is easier because it runs as root by default, but I have to learn how to successfully execute a standalone in Ubuntu. It is not as straightforward as it seems.

If you were using Lubuntu 16 on a 32-bit device, where would you look for a Firefox snap newer than 65? This would be my first snap attempt.
I live south of Little Saigon in SJ, I know where Willow Glen is.

I don't think firefox will let you run as root, certainly shouldn't.

I've never used snaps, so can't help you there. Pretty sure they're available from the ubuntu software center tho, but that wouldn't help you with your standalone idea...

I suspect the binary version of firefox you can download direct from mozilla would work best for your use case. You'd have to extract it, but then you could just run it without any desktop integration/installation. If you're using a live iso, but have firefox extracted on another disk, you'd lose your profile every time unless you wrapped a script around it to set your profile to go to that disk too instead of under $HOME, but if you dont care about that or extensions, could ignore and use clean profile every time.

https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/linux/
https://download-installer.cdn.mozil...-122.0.tar.bz2

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Old 02-01-2024, 10:16 AM   #21
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One question I have is about 'the backend', i.e., how much bloat is system vs. unnecessary apps?
You can get a good idea of that by using the Disk Usage Analyzer in the Utilities box.
 
Old 05-29-2024, 11:58 PM   #22
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I left because something in my distro broke with every update. I wasn't attached to Ubunt (it was a newbie choice), so I didn't have that holding me back.
 
Old 05-30-2024, 06:27 AM   #23
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JASlinux,

I suspect that a large number of former Ubuntu users have discovered that Linux Mint, despite being based on Ubuntu, does things properly and without all the bloat.

Others may have decided to go distrohopping and discovered another distro, such as MX Linux, EndeavourOS etc, which they prefer.
 
Old 05-30-2024, 12:36 PM   #24
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Ubuntu and Canonical do a few things that directly violate the Unix philosophy. And that can be okay, but they also support and push some proprietary solutions including some direct and indirect Microsoft services or products and that is NOT okay.

Bloat is absolutely an issue, and they address it by adding more bloat. Bloat is actually BUILT INTO some of the packaged application systems they push!

That said, it is a convenient echo system. Mint team and others attempt to refine Ubnutu to create a less bloated version, and I admire those efforts. MintDE is even better in many ways! But there is great value in families of distributions that have AVOIDED the bloat, the proprietary products, and value the Unix philosophy more (because it results in more trustworthy and resilient systems).

Often if someone tries a few alternative distributions, they will find one or more that fit them better, perform better, have a smaller footprint, and put them more in control than Ubuntu does. And there you go.

Distrowatch has a LOT of distributions listed, and those are not all that exist. We are not running out of options, and most of them are NOT Ubuntu or in that family.

Last edited by wpeckham; 05-30-2024 at 12:38 PM.
 
Old 05-30-2024, 05:51 PM   #25
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Can I run a snap of Firefox newer than v65 in Lubuntu 16? The repository isn't updating newer.
Is this a joke? Support for Ubuntu 16.04 ended 3 years ago and Lubuntu and some other derivatives only offer 3 years of suport so that would have ended 5 years ago. ESM is available for security updates for Ubuntu, not sure about Lubuntu and others.

I think bloat with snaps and flatpaks are a negative more many but I guess some users like them.
 
  


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