Hey,

I want you all to reply in this form:

Favorite Current Yoper Features:

Bla Bla

Some Programs That Need Work:

Bla Bla

What I Want in Yoper:

Bla Bla

I want to see what you all like, don't like, and want in Yoper. I'd be interested in porting programs that don't *work*, or if they are being worked on, I'll gladly help.

I'd appreciate the feedback. And don't say "I want pie" in Yoper. I will smack you ;-)

Cliekid

Favorite Current Yoper Features:

Good speed and responsive system,
Nice default looks,
Good installation and default configuration (not too much work to be done to make it useful)
Easy Yoper-specific RPM creation

Some Programs That Need Work:

Konqueror and other KDE programs hanging randomly
Superkarramba hanging
Amarok hanging
NFS server unable to start by default with the systen (despite the links in /etc/rc.5 are fine)
ECLIPSE - doesn't start at all (the default 3.0.1 release from www.eclipse.org)

What I Want in Yoper:

More apps!!! (I love debian for that)
More up-to-date packages... now it's really behind other distros
Better default configuration of packages (like in debian, apt should not only install and care for dependencies but also preconfigure apps, asking questions -like debconf- etc)
Better stability...
Better installation (package selection, graphical interface - the current one turns off too many)
and so on...

Steve likes:

* Wicked speed - optimisation appears to be paying off quite well.
* Default package selection - one app for each task and most of the clutter weeded out of KDE.
* Default look - too many distros use the kde default (keramik) which, IMHO, is hideous.
* Ease of package creation / installation - RPM has it's good points, apt-rpm covers up its bad ones :-)
* Single cd - I don't want 20 cds full of outdated software. One cd is good for a base, people can build from there.

Steve Dislikes:

* Installer is a shambles
- The installer needs to be either all text or all graphical (I don't care which), irrelevant error messages need to be hidden from users, messages need to be written so that people can see them AND understand them, needing to type 'yoper' to start setup is silly, as is needing to type 'Yes' to format your partition... end rant.
* The boot process is ugly
- My shiny new 2.1 install had no bootsplash and lots of unpleasant (but inconsequential) error messages. when I upgraded the kernel the progress bar starts from the beginning again halfway through the boot process . Some nice green 'ok' or red 'failed' messages as things start up (ala redhat, gentoo etc.) would be cool too. The boot process should look nice as it is the first thing people see :-)
* Console framebuffer
- Only one console gets the framebuffer image, and it messes up console text (ie. mc). Yes some of us like to USE the console.
* Package base
- More packages needed, more descriptions needed, tidy categories DEFINITELY needed. I understand this is a work in progress.
- Somewhere to upload packages for testing would be nice (ala gentoo's 'submitted ebuilds' bugtracker)


Sorry about the whinge.

Please take it as constructive criticisim, Yoper is still my favourite distro.


Steve.

Just a few suggestions before I post my own stuff

Ok I can't comment on Konqueror and KDE programs hanging randomly as I have experience very little of that - compared with Mandrake on the laptop.
I have learnt that the latest KDE version was known to be sort-of unstable - but again at least for me this version of KDE has been the most stable so far (it crashes but it is very rare - unlike KDE 2.1 that crashed the moment you changed a file name)

Superkaramba hanging - I will test that out - I had it before installed and noticed the ocasional crash. I attribute it with it being a sort unstable KDE app : but I will install it again.

Amarok / NFS can't comment

Eclipse - is *hard* to get going if you don't know what to do.
It will not run on any distro without some tweakings - so here it goes:

You need to set the Paths so that it points to JDK

$export JAVA_HOME=/usr/local/jdk/jre
$export PATH=${PATH}:${JAVA_HOME}/bin

Now try and running to see if you get anything

This PATH should be made fixed - and I forgot how to do that
.xinitrc ?

So again if you have Java installed and set those paths I can't see it not working.

Favorite Current Yoper Features:

Speed Obviously: even other distros tweaked with prelinking doesn't seem to get close.
KDE 3.3: I seriously couldn't live without it
- I need my button "stay on top"
- The right-click->(navigate)->"Copy Here" is so intuitive and clever.
Nice community of users.
NVIDIA / Win4Lin / Vmware prepatched
- Patching these on other Kernels for most distros is short of a nightmare.
No Distro I found perfect but Yoper has always suited me overall by a considerable margin.

Some Programs That Need Work:

Graphics for Gaming:
- I've made a lot of changes/tweaks to make games work flawlessly on Yoper.
- The distro should be already tweaked optimized on this front
Rosegarden (and a few related midi apps)
- I can't get any sound or listen to the midis created
A lot of small programs that people don't use and don't work should be scrapped.
Gnomemeeting for other people to have fun (I dont need it myself)

What I Want in Yoper:

I will stop wishing for Evolution-1.4 it will never happen
Lastest version of Open Office 1.1.3 (but 2.0 should be coming out soon)
Boot-time to be massively reduced.
Better integration of libraries so its easy to compile stuff:
I can't get glut or SDL to compile the tutorials at http://nehe.gamedev.net
Proper English-UK (Great Britain) defaults; if I set EN_GB .. I still get Gnome or Console defaulting to EN_US

Having said all that ...

Please remember .. Yoper = Your Operating System.
You get Yoper for free but you contribute to Yoper.
So learning more about rpms, configurations, programming, scripting, even documentation or even helping others
is the only way to see Yoper advance more and more.

I would set myself some long-term projects too - like learning TCL and Python.
N-Curses is a nice tool to learn as it will help us writing a better bootloader

Each user should be a contributor - even if by a lil degree

It's not really that hard to get going and I know what to do
I use eclipse every day for over 2 years now. The distro is Debian and never had such problems with it as I get with Yoper...
The system variables are exported correctly. Eclipse uses JRE, but unfortunately doesn't load.
Keeps saying: An error occured, see tha log file.
And the log file states (which I don't understand) this:

!SESSION gru 04, 2004 23:49:06.414 ---------------------------------------------
eclipse.buildId=M200409161125
java.version=1.4.1-Ycompiled
java.vendor=Sun Microsystems Inc.
BootLoader constants: OS=linux, ARCH=x86, WS=gtk, NL=pl_PL

!ENTRY initial@reference:file:/usr/local/eclipse/plugins/org.eclipse.core.runtime_3.0.1/ 0 0 gru 04, 2004 23:49:06.417
!MESSAGE FrameworkEvent.ERROR
!STACK 0
org.osgi.framework.BundleException: Exception in org.eclipse.core.internal.runtime.PlatformActivator.start() of bundle org.eclipse.core.runtime.
at org.eclipse.osgi.framework.internal.core.BundleContextImpl.startActivator(BundleContextImpl.java:975 )
at org.eclipse.osgi.framework.internal.core.BundleContextImpl.start(BundleContextImpl.java:937)
at org.eclipse.osgi.framework.internal.core.BundleHost.startWorker(BundleHost.java:421)
at org.eclipse.osgi.framework.internal.core.AbstractBundle.resume(AbstractBundle.java:366)
at org.eclipse.osgi.framework.internal.core.Framework.resumeBundle(Framework.java:999)
at org.eclipse.osgi.framework.internal.core.StartLevelManager.resumeBundles(StartLevelManager.java:577) at org.eclipse.osgi.framework.internal.core.StartLevelManager.incFWSL(StartLevelManager.java:488)
at org.eclipse.osgi.framework.internal.core.StartLevelManager.doSetStartLevel(StartLevelManager.java:27 3)
at org.eclipse.osgi.framework.internal.core.StartLevelManager.dispatchEvent(StartLevelManager.java:444) at org.eclipse.osgi.framework.eventmgr.EventManager.dispatchEvent(EventManager.java:186)
at org.eclipse.osgi.framework.eventmgr.EventThread.run(EventThread.java:104)
[...]

What I love and want in Yoper
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Everything Optimized & for i686 =)

*Xfce4.2 -Optimized
*Gnome 2.8 - optimized
*kDE 3.3 - optimized
*Fluxbox - optimized

And Package System to be the best !!!
We need more people in the irc channel #yoper (irc.freenode.net) lets make Yoper #1

The first thing I would try is a clean reinstall of the JRE from generic packages :-)

OK I will install it and see if I can make it work
I have installed it in the past - but that was a previous version of Yoper
my new clean reinstall does not have Eclipse

And since you know Eclipse pretty well
I have a proposition - if I manage to fix this - can you teach me Eclipse?

After the lengthy procedure and installing and finally getting it to work
I get the pretty Eclipse enviroment without a clue on Earth how to use it

Sure I can If you have any question, we could make another thread for eclipse here.
Probably I'd be able to get it to work in Yoper by installing another version of Sun's JDK
(or maybe IBM's SDK, which I use more often). Just didn't have much time to play
with it. I usually use debian anyway, cuz it just works most of the time (eclipse and jdk
is in the repositories and you don't need any configuration to make it work).
But I used Eclipse on Redhat as well, and it didn't produce any problems so I guess it really has something to do with Yoper's configuration.

I just finish trying ARCH Linux and I gotta say I love it and the main feature I like about it I want Yoper to have is

"pacman -S" PACMAN PACMANPACMAN

fastest thing I ever used and its fun

What's wrong with TuxRacer or Frozen Bubble? :P

I mean't package management Tar.GZ (pacman -commands)

I know sorry couldnt help it! lol

Favorite Current Yoper Features:

SPEED.

great KDE implementation. mostly vanilla and lets you customize it, and is usually one of the first to upgrade to a new version of KDE

this doesnt help me personally, but it works great with nvidia cards.

Some Programs That Need Work:

xmms, firefox, mozilla are pretty badd unless manually installed.

but firefox is extremely easy to install anyway, mozilla works fine if you dont use it(see the logic?) and xmms is crap compared to amarok anyway.

What I Want in Yoper:

64bit support if i ever get a 64bit computer, yast and other suse tools are planned to be implemented, without the slooooooooooooooooooowness of them on suse. x.org too.