What makes an Ubuntu user leave for another family?

Simple answer is 'bloat' - once you start using Linux, you find that you have other choices...

And in some cases dislike of the entity behind Ubuntu. In my case while I have no inherent problem with snaps I prefer flatpaks due to not needing special privileges to install them as a user. I don't like root installed flatpaks though. I get the feeling they are going to ultimately make it more difficult than it needs to be to use anything other than their snaps. No sense sticking around to find out.

Linux is about choice and freedom. Canonical is well on their way to eliminating that choice if they have their way. They can keep it.

BLOAT snaps and flatpaks. I hate them all!

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In Technical space the flatpacks, snaps, and other non-native requirements. Also the required packages and forced limitations that result.

In non-technical space: there has always been a supporting community that the company may pay some attention to on Monday and totally ignore the rest of the week. There are other distributions (some more stable, some more cutting edge) with different and arguably better options that better attend to the concerns of their community.

I used Debian and Red Hat long before Ubuntu was a glimmer. I really liked Ubuntu for a time, then started seeing the issues and bloat. I moved to other distributions that better answer my needs and concerns. (I still recommend Ubuntu spinoffs for some users, because it is an interesting place to start. I just recommend that when they tire of it they not fear moving on to something that might serve them better.)

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MX does both!

why do you choose this car or that car? Because you like that better, find more convenient or ?

Bloat & package containers are compelling answers.

One question I have is about 'the backend', i.e., how much bloat is system vs. unnecessary apps?

I boot Lubuntu sometimes, still much larger than my daily driver, but its app menus are relatively lean. It doesn't look like bloat from a menu perspective, only by .iso size.

I am usually booting Ubuntu family for functionality, e.g., a missing driver, Bluetooth, or (more recently) the inability to USB tether. In Ubuntu it works.

So where is the user-oriented distro with full functionality that is leaner than the Ubuntu family?

this is just confusion. Every distro has a lot of different packages, display managers and tools. What you install and use depends on you, not on the distro.

Choice of course! Everyone has a 'reason' for why they don't like this or that. Perfectly ok. Also the grass always seems greener on the other side of the fence . Human nature.

My choice is KUbuntu. Not sure what the 'bloat' is that is talked about above as everything works out of the box, only uses a fraction of my OS 2TB SSD drive and that is with all my applications installed. Memory usage is depended on how many apps you have up, again no problem there. So I don't see any problem here. Systems are quick and responsive (run on laptops, servers, and desktops). I am very happy with KUbuntu myself.

I can't say that I've abandoned Ubuntu, because I ordered Ubuntu MATE installed on my recently-purchased ThinkPenguin laptop, but, I must say, I am less than enthused about their snaps fetish.

I also am no fan of the six-month release cycle. I use only LTS releases.

I like how MATE looks & its orientation towards users. I still boot it sometimes but would more if it were light as Xubuntu.

Can I run a snap of Firefox newer than v65 in Lubuntu 16? The repository isn't updating newer.

I think lubuntu 16 is dead already. You need to upgrade to a newer release. But obviously you can try snap, probably works.

I think the reason most people leave Ubuntu for other distros is because they've learned enough and want to control stuff themselves, want to set up their OS the way they want it.

JAS, as I told you in another thread already, the mozilla team ppa supports modern firefox on ubuntu 16.04. Or the official Mozilla apt repo:
And yes, snaps work if you want to go that way too.

And pan64, it's not technically dead, its EOSS (end of standard support) but not EOL, you can sign up with canonical if you want for "esm" updates, gets support til 2026, and its free for up to five computers for personal use.

You can say that too. Anyway, this is the official release notes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/...eNotes/Lubuntu
3 years support (until April 2019)

The original question was For example: because the user does not want to register for esm updates.
Anyway, I use only ubuntu if really needed, I'm not a regular ubuntu user.

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