And because Mozilla is funded primarily by Google. I don't think "conscience" has any place here.

I don't see how including DRM is "being part of Google's plan" any more than not including it and being an also-ran like Opera (an no offence to Opera as, while I don't use it much, I always mention it as a choice and wish they had more success).
I think this has nothing to do with Google and everything to do with the MP Ass of America and the likes and their absolute stance.
Anyone not wanting to see DRM in HTML5 ought to stop spending any money with any studios who are forcing DRM onto the web and stop with all the "Google made them do it" conspiracy. If you've ever bought a ticket for, rented or bought the DVD of a movie or TV series it's likely you've paid for the lawyers who are forcing this decision upon the web (yes, I am one of you).

I cannot opt out of having the non-free sandbox installed, and I cannot opt out of the huge advancement of the various DRM agendas, and corresponding losses to existing freedoms, that will inevitably result.

BTW - I doubt that I have ever thanked you for your online Slackware resources, particularly your font and unicode setup article(s). Much referenced and useful - please accept a sincere "Thank you!"

Now if only you could be convinced of the evils of IP and its consequences... all in good time.

The sandbox itself will be free and open source.

You're welcome.

Well, you know what they say about that: never say never.

So everything you don't agree with is a conspiracy now ? I must be some type of terrorist for thinking that Mozilla's number 1 contributor is influencing their decisions, including UI and DRM. I can't even tell the latest Firefox and Chrome apart. I guess it is just coincidence.

Fine, I'll shut up and leave this thread, but I will mention this again the next time such an influence occurs, and it shouldn't be too long.

This is the oldest and most deeply rooted conflict, the singular foundation of Free Software as a movement, and therefore the origin point of all software freedoms that we currently enjoy, however briefly.

It is also the most divisive and polarizing, so it is not very useful to any of us to continue this "Is not!", "Is too!" exchange.

So allow me to summarize my own perspective on all things IP related, particularly inclusion of an active DRM snakebox in my browser, by the words of a favorite hit song from my '60s high school days... find a non-DRM'd copy online while you still can...

Al Wilson – The Snake

"Google made them do it" is definitely an unfounded conspiracy theory.

Did you even read my post?

Anyone know why if Google had the explicit goal of "extinguishing" Mozilla/Firefox they would continue to fund them?

I think the conspiracy theory is that the goal is not "extinguishing" Firefox but rather controlling it.

Edit: My entire post isn't directed at dugan, even though I've quoted him, just to make that clear.
I can't seem to come up with a why. Besides pointing at Google.com by default, it's not terribly useful of a thing to control. If the goal is for Google and Mozilla to throw their weight around, then it's not doing a good job there, Mozilla was the last one to give into adding hooks for this EME/DRM thing.

The UI/UX design process is remarkably open if you care to go look, and if those people who work on it like elements of Chrome then more power to them and if it's good design then I hope they steal it. There's no reason to grow some wildly different UI for the sake of it, you can have all of that type of stuff via plugins or add-ons. When I scanned the design discussion, there weren't any posts like, "Google says to make it look like Chrome! Or else!" It wasn't like that at all.

So, I'm really interested in how Google is controlling Mozilla in any bad way. If all they've done is help get rid of Flash and make the UI better, then what's the problem? There's a possibility that they may do something bad, but that risk is in every project, so until we see it, it's not constructive to worry about it. There's other browsers, code to be forked, and a zillion options should the day come when Firefox is truly a sinking ship, but this isn't it.

To anyone getting upset because there's a sandbox for the DRM to live in, there was already a broken sandbox for Flash to sit and make a mess in. If this new tiny DRM lock that's stripped of doing much more than validating some content so upsets you, I sure hope your blood was previously boiling and you weren't even thinking of using Firefox in the first place. The snake's bed was already in your house, to continue with that contrived metaphor.

I'm just updating this thread to say that cyncwulf (and others) were right and I was wrong.

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