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Old 03-24-2014, 08:50 PM   #1
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LXer: Why Mozilla's Brendan Eich Is the Right Choice for CEO


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Finally. At long last and after two CEOs who left after short tenures on the job, Mozilla now has the CEO it always should have had.Today, Mozilla officially announced that Brendan Eich will be the new CEO of the open-source organization that produces the Firefox Web browser and the FirefoxOS mobile operating system.

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Old 04-04-2014, 07:40 AM   #2
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http://www.humanevents.com/2014/04/0...six-years-ago/

"MOB RULE: MOZILLA CEO FORCED OUT OVER $1000 PROP 8 DONATION MADE SIX YEARS AGO"

"Mozilla believes both in equality and freedom of speech. Equality is necessary for meaningful speech. And you need free speech to fight for equality. Figuring out how to stand for both at the same time can be hard."

What about Brendan Eich's "freedom of speech"? Mozilla = Fail

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Old 04-04-2014, 09:17 PM   #3
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Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences.

A strict constructionist would also point out that the First Amendment applies to Congress, not to corporate boards.

Mozilla's Board and a good part of its staff decided that Eich's continued tenure would be hurtful to Mozilla; they are within their rights to make that decision, just as others are free to disapprove. Mozilla acted in its self-interest as a corporation; no doubt Ayn Rand would have approved.
 
Old 04-05-2014, 06:45 AM   #4
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@frankbell http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_A...s_Constitution

"Beginning with Gitlow v. New York (1925), the Supreme Court applied the First Amendment to states—a process known as incorporation—through the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment."

You are correct of course, the board has a perfect right to bow to societal pressure if it so desires. Standing for free speech is so much harder than knuckling under.
 
Old 04-05-2014, 03:52 PM   #5
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A "Powerful Conservative Voices" screed about how OkcCupid and many of Mozilla's own employees are just like Hitler? The point it's trying to make is the same one I made in another post, but still, ohhhkay...

Also, the screed outright declares that he was fired. He wasn't.

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Old 04-05-2014, 09:09 PM   #6
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I would less cynical about conservative defenders of "free speech" if they also defended the free speech for, say, for example, just to mention some ferinstances, Phil Donahue and the Dixie Chicks, among others.
 
Old 04-05-2014, 09:19 PM   #7
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"Free speech" is, as you've pointed out, irrelevant here anyway.
 
Old 04-05-2014, 10:01 PM   #8
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Mozilla = Fail

What it means is people who claim to be OPEN MINDED are in fact the worst.


Yes, the Constitution does allow one free association. This is not a freedom of speech issue. It is the fact that a private person using their private money has been barred by using what amounts to a "morals clause." The Supreme Court barred "morals clauses" in hiring/employment in the 60's. I'd have sued them.

I'm removing FailFox.

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Old 04-06-2014, 01:28 AM   #9
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He was a bad advert for them, so they had to let him go. They made a business decision. His past conduct would damage the reputation of the project.
Some of us realise that airing strong views in public with our names attached (which such a donation does) can cause us problems with employment at a later date, so we don't do it.
I can't decide whether he's a moron because he thinks that people aren't created equal or because he publicly made that statement. Either way, he's still a moron.
 
Old 04-08-2014, 07:49 AM   #10
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Originally Posted by mjolnir View Post
"MOB RULE: MOZILLA CEO FORCED OUT OVER $1000 PROP 8 DONATION MADE SIX YEARS AGO"
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Originally Posted by frankbell View Post
Mozilla's Board and a good part of its staff decided that Eich's continued tenure would be hurtful to Mozilla; Mozilla acted in its self-interest as a corporation
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Originally Posted by jefro View Post
It is the fact that a private person using their private money has been barred by using what amounts to a "morals clause."
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He was a bad advert for them, so they had to let him go.
Every single quote above has turned out to either explicitly inaccurate, or speculation.

Here's the official word:

https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2014/0...o-resignation/

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The Supreme Court barred "morals clauses" in hiring/employment in the 60's.
As late as 2013, American schoolteachers were being fired for posing for Playboy. So this is obviously not true.

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Old 04-08-2014, 09:27 AM   #11
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@dugan From your link: "Q: Was Brendan asked to resign by the Board?

A: No. In fact, Board members tried to get Brendan to stay at Mozilla in another role."

Emphasis mine. Doesn't sound like a hell of a lot of support to me. It appears Eich voluntarily resigned to prevent further harm to a project dear to him. Kudos.

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Old 04-08-2014, 09:44 AM   #12
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To add to the previous -- I stated that they had to lety him go. I don't see anywhere stated that they begged him to stay in the CEO role.
Organisations rarely fire people at that level but that doesn't mean somebody has much choice but to fall on their sword.
So, I stand by ny statement that the "let him go" as he would cause adverse publicity.
 
Old 04-08-2014, 11:36 AM   #13
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Well, now that we know what's been confirmed and what is still open to speculation:

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It appears Eich voluntarily resigned to prevent further harm to a project dear to him. Kudos.
From https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2014/0...s-mozilla-ceo/

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Brendan Eich has chosen to step down from his role as CEO. He’s made this decision for Mozilla and our community.
Hmm....

@273: One question that Mozilla's FAQ does not cover, I've noticed, is: "Did the board ask Brendan Eich to step down from his role as CEO."

Both of your (mjolnir's and 273's) posts fall into "you may well be right" territory.

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Old 04-08-2014, 03:34 PM   #14
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Mozilla CEO Firestorm Likely Violated California Law
http://tech-beta.slashdot.org/story/...california-law
 
Old 04-08-2014, 03:45 PM   #15
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Mozilla CEO Firestorm Likely Violated California Law
http://tech-beta.slashdot.org/story/...california-law
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Under California law it is blatantly illegal to fire an employee because he has donated money to a political campaign.
Since that is blatantly not what happened, my breaking of my New Year's resolution to never freaking look at Slashdot again was not worth it.

I hate to shoot the messenger, but you should already have known that from reading the thread. Sheesh.

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