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Old 05-10-2018, 07:11 AM   #46
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I noticed.
https://www.linuxquestions.org/quest...ux-4175629269/



Good call.
 
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Old 05-10-2018, 07:34 AM   #47
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I noticed.
I meant to follow up on your prior post actually.

I recall you've commented in other discussions that you moderate on other sites.

So my question was if you had any experience with dealing with these same issues?
 
Old 05-10-2018, 07:49 AM   #48
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Yep. Just today, I asked a member politely on another forum I mod at to remove a link to his hate blog link he inserted in his name on another forum I mod at.

Will wait to see what happens. I run into this kind of stuff on a daily basis any more. As the world gets bigger and more stress-full.

Every body has a opinion on everything. They think every one cares about that opinion. Maybe social sites are to blame. I don't know, though. I used to take things serious. But I am much better now.
 
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Old 05-10-2018, 07:57 AM   #49
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Forgot to mention.

I would have never noticed the above posted action I took.

But another member reported the post which I get a notification on.
I peruse the thread/post and find where all links end up, and look at what is said.

Then being a SGT of Arms type of Linux user.
I ask nicely first.
Any Flak. I delete the thread and wait for escalation. If none. I move on.

Edit: I am not a senior mod at that forum. At another. I am admin.
So I tread lightly where there are more senior mods than me.
Where I am admin. I am King Kong.
But I handle that forum lightly also. I let the members run a bit loose.
No personal insults allowed. I have banned well known good linux users for that.

One can be polite and well mannered when in a disagreement. I won't tolerate bullying.

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Old 05-10-2018, 08:12 AM   #50
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This reminded me of something. I am not immune myself from being chided for my online actions.

It was part misinterpretation on my post that the mod did this. But I let him know I understood his actions completely anyways. I did not bitch and moan about it. But just moved on like it was just another day in the life. Below is my warning I got.


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Old 05-11-2018, 09:17 AM   #51
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Will wait to see what happens.
See. Being patient and using a little honey instead of vinegar keeps a peaceful world in play.

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Hi, Rokytnji
< snip personal stuff in reply >
I've removed the blogspot link
No harm, no foul. The world rotates serenely. Some folks. Me included in that statement. Are just chatty Kathys with no harm intended. I know this thread deals with hateful, biased, and evil posts.
Some folks just can't be tolerated in a campfire setting.

Just showing that that being open minded instead of being assumptive has it's good points also.

I shoulda PM'd and asked politely. But since the OP put his business out there for the world in his thread.
I figured no harm in my including it in a reply box instead.
 
Old 05-21-2018, 12:53 PM   #52
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While the user was banned (and good thing, too), the posts (and most of the language) remain. This is what I was talking about.

https://www.linuxquestions.org/quest...5/#post5857385
https://www.linuxquestions.org/quest...tu-4175629598/

Can't see where such posts enhance the site, nor provide content for future readers/searchers.
 
Old 05-21-2018, 01:05 PM   #53
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While the user was banned (and good thing, too), the posts (and most of the language) remain. This is what I was talking about.

https://www.linuxquestions.org/quest...5/#post5857385
https://www.linuxquestions.org/quest...tu-4175629598/

Can't see where such posts enhance the site, nor provide content for future readers/searchers.
I agree. Not only that, but the title of the opening post on the second thread, and to a certain extent the first, still contains inappropriate language. Given the short length of the threads, and the very low quality of their content given that the OP deleted their opening post on both occasions, I can't see why these threads aren't deleted, unless perhaps that in some way adversely affects the statistics of those who did contribute to the threads.
 
Old 05-21-2018, 01:22 PM   #54
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I stepped in at the global level and banned the user to avoid them continuing to sound off, however I think it also likely that they fired their volleys and were done. I also did so tentatively since they only ever made two threads and thus had already done their actions on both threads.

The activities in question and the reports on those threads are as of today. Please allow the forum moderators or Jeremy to assess the situation further. Meanwhile one of those threads has been edited, however some language was missed and this was noted to the moderator of that thread.

I will say that likely at some point Jeremy may be the person to delete those threads, if that is the decision. This action is generally frowned upon and therefore moderators use caution when taking that form of action. Jeremy has already cited the policy about this topic, in post #22.

There's no telling what the questions were like before, since they have been edited and were never quoted. Jeremy or the specific forum moderators can actually undo the edits and since the OP can no longer log back in, they also cannot re-alter the edits.

In spite of the fact that sometimes moderation actions occur quickly, it should also be noted that a reasonable amount of time be allowed for a reported item to be evaluated. Same comment as I made in jsbjsb001's thread, which is to check the specific forum moderators and query about the status of your report.

Everyone, including Jeremy appears to have a habitual time that they appear on the forums, and also things occur in our lives that changes our participation levels.

While I do agree that the threads can probably go, you seem to be urgently asking for instant action about these threads.

From my activity habits you all can guess that if this happened late on a Friday night in a forum if I were the sole moderator, it'd be open for the entire weekend. Probably not, but it is one possibility.
 
Old 05-21-2018, 01:40 PM   #55
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While the user was banned (and good thing, too), the posts (and most of the language) remain. This is what I was talking about.
Any language that remained was either missed, not reported, or the report hadn't been resolved yet. It's now completely removed.

--jeremy
 
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Old 05-21-2018, 01:48 PM   #56
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Any language that remained was either missed, not reported, or the report hadn't been resolved yet. It's now completely removed.

--jeremy
Thanks. Just for info, it may not have the same meaning Stateside but the word t***ers in https://www.linuxquestions.org/quest...tu-4175629598/ is not something you would say within earshot of your granny in the UK given its meaning.
 
Old 05-21-2018, 02:38 PM   #57
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I think it's important to note that on one of those threads, the one in the Desktop forum where nobody had answered their original question at all, once the OP made their poor comments, two of our members reacted directly to them, https://www.linuxquestions.org/quest...5/#post5857385.

I'm just as human as the next person, however if I were asked to moderate those reactions, I'd likely judge them to not be the best of choices to make:
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Great, thanks.

We volunteer our time here and answer when we can, IF we can. Your 71 views may have been folks who didn't know, and you're getting upset over it? Grow up. And given your attitude in your other thread, your language and behavior...good luck getting help ANYWHERE from ANYONE.
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Sorry you didn't get the service for which you paid. Oh wait...

If you post a thread and label it as SOLVED then it would appear you're not looking for any help. Maybe if you learn how to use the forum.

It is always possible you asked a question for which the people that viewed didn't know an answer either. No one here has claimed to be omniscient. Or it is possible you asked the question in such a way as to make it unintelligible. Or it could just be you're the moron and it came through in your post.
Truly not-withstanding the OP's obvious actions, these are examples of reactive, insulting, personal attacks. Therefore what is the Desktop forum moderator's actions to be here? We have two members who have been with LQ since the early 2000's, making a bad situation worse, in parallel with your reports.

My unprofessional inputs here are, "Hold your tongue and click report only." and "Thank you for the additional mess to clean up or have to evaluate ... I was away from the forums for <some time> and look what happens?"

I just happened to revisit to see if the thread was closed at least, only to find that there is yet another reply in there, albeit one discussing technical details about the forum and how views occur.
 
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Old 05-24-2018, 01:49 AM   #58
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I stepped in at the global level and banned the user to avoid them continuing to sound off, however I think it also likely that they fired their volleys and were done.
maybe he (sic) is a tosser himself?

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Old 05-24-2018, 06:03 AM   #59
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maybe he (sic) is a tosser himself?
I have to say that I was surprised when Jeremy said that the language had been completely removed from that thread but left that one word in, even when I pointed out that it's a pejorative term in the UK. It shows a US-centric bias to the modding (but I suppose also lets non-US English-speakers use their local slang with impunity, so that's good for them).

Also, there was no feedback given to me as to why that word had been left in - my comment was just ignored.

Similarly, yesterday I reported a post where a good member here had advised the use of what is generally deemed to be an illegal software built on top of BitTorrent. Well I thought so anyway. Nothing was done, but that wasn't a problem in my eyes, it was the fact that the feedback to me was non-existent, just tumbleweed. So, I didn't know if I was wrong about the illegality, whether any mod in fact saw my report, whether it was just decided to let it go because it wasn't a major thing, whether it was decided to let it go because it was me who reported it, etc. I had absolutely no idea.

That happens a lot on here. If nothing is done following a report, there is no feedback. It really makes you wonder why you bother reporting things. But there you go...
 
Old 05-24-2018, 06:59 AM   #60
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I have to say that I was surprised when Jeremy said that the language had been completely removed from that thread but left that one word in, even when I pointed out that it's a pejorative term in the UK. It shows a US-centric bias to the modding (but I suppose also lets non-US English-speakers use their local slang with impunity, so that's good for them).

Also, there was no feedback given to me as to why that word had been left in - my comment was just ignored.

Similarly, yesterday I reported a post where a good member here had advised the use of what is generally deemed to be an illegal software built on top of BitTorrent. Well I thought so anyway. Nothing was done, but that wasn't a problem in my eyes, it was the fact that the feedback to me was non-existent, just tumbleweed. So, I didn't know if I was wrong about the illegality, whether any mod in fact saw my report, whether it was just decided to let it go because it wasn't a major thing, whether it was decided to let it go because it was me who reported it, etc. I had absolutely no idea.

That happens a lot on here. If nothing is done following a report, there is no feedback. It really makes you wonder why you bother reporting things. But there you go...
Yep...agreed, and I've felt that way often. Reported posters/posts three or four times in the past, and nothing. I had mentioned earlier that just a [mod edit: <whatever reason>] tag in a post would at least let folks know they've been heard.

And I noticed 'tosser' as well.
 
  


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