LQ Reputation System

MTK358 · 08-26-2010, 07:26 AM

But in my case, the "hypothetical member" didn't really go against the rules, but was very confusing and insultingly sarcastic in his writing style and his tone of voice made me feel like a worthless piece of dirt that shouldn't even be doing what I wanted to do (intentionally or not).

hughetorrance · 08-26-2010, 07:30 AM

I was on the Indiana forum a few years ago and there was a huge flame war about whether the desktop would be KDE or Gnome... Well... I did,nt have a clue *but* I knew that Ian Murdoch was Debian so I guessed it would be Gnome... the moral of this story is that Jeremy will do whatever he thinks is best and If I were him thats what I would do... since the reponsibility is ultimately his... LOL

ps I am sure though he appreciates everyones input... !

Aquarius_Girl · 08-26-2010, 07:30 AM

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But in my case, the "hypothetical member" didn't really go against the rules, but was very confusing in his writing style and made me feel like a worthless piece of dirt.

"hypothetical member" you are referring to is a very knowledgeable one. You could have filtered all his extra comments (which he did to tease you) and focus on extracting the important information from him (which was needed for your project) !

GazL · 08-26-2010, 07:32 AM

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* Members in the "New Member" group will not be able to use the reputation system. Once a member makes a single post and is in the "Member" group, they will be able to leave positive reputation.

* A member will need to have a certain amount of reputation before they can give reputation and the amount of reputation you'll be able to give will depend on how much you get.

If someone starts with zero then the second rule makes the first one unnecessary, or am I missing something?

I've got fairly reasonable thanks/useful scores, but in the interest of simplicity I'd favour completely removing the thanks and usefulness features and existing stats if a new reputation system is introduced. 3 ways of rating a post/poster are simply not needed and as anishakaul pointed out, the existing systems have been abused and never really did what people were hoping they would. A fresh start sounds like a good idea to me.

JZL240I-U · 08-26-2010, 07:33 AM

<edit> As a reaction to MTK358's and EricTRA's posts </edit>: It concerns not only politeness but the how understandable the solutions are presented. I don't mean the RTFM type of answer, but if a newbie clearly states that (s)he has no experience with e.g. the command line and the expert doesn't explain how to handle that environment it is to the detriment of his answer and it is not in the spirit of LQ (...where newbies come for help).

In short not only the technical side counts.

MTK358 · 08-26-2010, 07:37 AM

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"hypothetical member" you are referring to is a very knowledgeable one. You could have filtered all his extra comments (which he did to tease you) and focus on extracting the important information from him (which was needed for your project) !

I'm not really talking about my current thread about my project, I'm talking about the ones a few weeks/months ago. He doesn't bother me much any more, but I think he could still be nicer and speak in a way that's much easier to understand.

It's mostly the idea of someone thinking that I am worthless for doing a certain project that really hurts me.

Aquarius_Girl · 08-26-2010, 07:51 AM

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I don't like the idea of not allowing a member to vote up another member twice in a row. It seems unfair, what if someone helped twice in a row?

Remember and vote later?

I hope this is a joke, because it is not practical !

JZL240I-U · 08-26-2010, 07:54 AM

You have no electronic calendar with a hold file / resubmission (or whatever it is called)?

MTK358 · 08-26-2010, 07:57 AM

As if anyone would go through that trouble?!?!?

Aquarius_Girl · 08-26-2010, 07:57 AM

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You have no electronic calendar with a hold file / resubmission (or whatever it is called)?

I am sorry but I don't know exactly what you are talking about !

If you expect that I should install/purchase/download a gadget to remember whom should I mark up, then on no account I find this practical !

brianL · 08-26-2010, 08:09 AM

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Hi brianL,

I imagine that the LQ rules would apply before all else. So if someone is abusive even when offering technically great advice, I'm sure the mods will take action. I for one would report such behavior in an instant, but would still award reputation for the technical side of the answer. If you want to include politeness into the calculation of rewarding reputation then you take it off the technical view in my opinion and lean more towards a personal view and thus your decision will be biased.

Kind regards,

Eric

That's the problem. This "hypothetical person (

)" is not openly abusive, it's more the equivalent of a sneering tone of voice in print - if you get what I mean.
Yeah, my estimate of his/her reputation would be biased by my personal views of such people - I can't stand them.

JZL240I-U · 08-26-2010, 08:23 AM

@Anisha & MTK358 Okay, if you think nobody would do it ... I would, but I'd already noticed that I'm not the measure of all things

. @Anisha No, I meant software you already have, SuSE comes with multiple PIMs or if you use Windows, Outlook would do.

jeremy · 08-26-2010, 08:32 AM

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I don't like the idea of not allowing a member to vote up another member twice in a row. It seems unfair, what if someone helped twice in a row?

In an ideal world we'd certainly allow this, but the impact it will have on potential abuse means I think it will be a necessary and valuable part of the system.

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Also, I don't know if this can be a good idea, but maybe you can somehow allow members to rate how well the newbie that asked the question is doing? Maybe it's a dumb idea, but it came into my head and I thought I might say it here. (On second thought, maybe you should turn that off in the Programming forum (if you know what I mean) )

It's an interesting idea and something we'll certainly keep in mind as a future enhancement, but we have no plans to implement in during the initial rollout.

--jeremy

jeremy · 08-26-2010, 08:34 AM

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Hypothetical case: suppose a member is very knows a lot about, say, programming. But his/her attitude when answering questions is condescending and sarcastic. How am I going to rate him/her? Very low. It isn't clever, it doesn't make you look tough, to talk down to people. You need to RTFM on manners. They cost nowt.

The reputation system will allow comments when leaving rep, so you will have the opportunity to explain why you're repping the way you are (and comments will be required for leaving negative rep).

--jeremy

jeremy · 08-26-2010, 08:37 AM

Based on feedback it's likely that the Helpful stats will not be considered when calculating the rep you have when we roll the system out, but will count moving forward (probably at some ratio compared to actually leaving rep for someone).

--jeremy