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Old 03-17-2020, 07:19 AM   #46
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I don't get this. Someone who is continuously harassing and making mockery of other members who are legitimately asking for help is now complaining about "abusive posts". I genuinely wonder why other members might be interested in making "abusive posts" in connection with you .

Cheers and good luck with these abusive posts, TB0ne. Sincerely. Anyway, I'll follow jefro's advice and move on.
Asking you to post ANY proof of your wild claims isn't 'abuse' or 'harassment'. While you make think you have a legitimate problem, you sure don't want to listen to the answers you get, from me or anyone else. You've been asked for proof, but never provide it; you get told point blank that the things you're claiming ARE NOT POSSIBLE, yet won't accept those answers. Again, there seem to be issues that people on a technical forum can't solve.
 
Old 03-17-2020, 07:32 AM   #47
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Can you please explain how to the two examples just recently posted add value to their threads? Or how removing them wouldn't make the thread better??

I have never made a statement of the kind suggested in the quote above.

Responding to your question anyway : I do not have to explain, as moderation has terminated the thread. These threads now remain what they are, what they were, when the discussion was going on. If there is “value”, it remains. If not, digging out these threads will not make much sense.., to me at least.
I cannot imagine how I could make a list of abusive posts, then present them in a separate thread stating whatever I find pertinent. Thanks for enlarging my horizon this way, but I would not.

A forum cannot be organized around abusive posts, flames and the counter-measures ensued. I hope LQ will never go down that way.

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Old 03-17-2020, 07:37 AM   #48
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I have never made a statement contrary to what I leave in the quote, above.

Responding to your question anyway : I do not have to explain, as moderation has terminated the thread. These threads now remain what they are, what they were, when the discussion was going on. If there is “value”, it remains. If not, digging out these threads will not make much sense.., to me at least.
I cannot imagine how I could make a list of abusive posts, then present them in a separate thread stating whatever I find pertinent. Thanks for enlarging my horizon this way, but I would not.

A forum cannot be organized around abusive posts, flames and the counter-measures ensued. I hope LQ will never go down that way.
Understood, and I never advocated removal of the THREADS, just individual posts. Closing the thread is one thing, but such posts add no value, and someone coming across the thread from an Internet search won't get too favorable an impression of LQ based on such things.

Granted, such folks as the example given are everywhere, but it was merely a suggestion. As I said, such things are of no concern to me, personally.
 
Old 03-17-2020, 07:57 AM   #49
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As an extreme side effect a useless post [still] may help others to avoid sending such posts or to improve the content. But obviously its probability is low, very low.
 
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Old 03-17-2020, 08:08 AM   #50
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I cannot imagine how I could make a list of abusive posts, then present them in a separate thread stating whatever I find pertinent. Thanks for enlarging my horizon this way, but I would not.
I guess there are people with way too much free time.

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I agree.
 
Old 03-17-2020, 08:18 AM   #51
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I guess there are people with way too much free time.
Or there are people who had one poster repeatedly do such things, which is more likely; a single, recent source is quite easy to cite.

Those with too much free time seem to post about being hacked while their PC's aren't even connected to anything, and make duplicate accounts after their other ones are banned.

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Old 03-17-2020, 02:57 PM   #52
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I don't get this. Someone who is continuously harassing and making mockery of other members who are legitimately asking for help is now complaining about "abusive posts". I genuinely wonder why other members might be interested in making "abusive posts" in connection with you .

Cheers and good luck with these abusive posts, TB0ne. Sincerely.

Anyway, I'll follow jefro's advice and move on.
You got it backwards.

To understand what this thread is about you really have to go back and look at the posting history of the member discussed here.

BTW, that goes for many of the most recent posters here.

It's not like I'm "collecting abusive posts", but I have met this member many times over the years and behaviour like that just sticks in my mind.
The only reason why people like that can carry on for so long is because they get forgotten, because most people on the internet have an even shorter attention span than I.

BTW, that member is now banned on LQ, an act that can only be carried out by the highest entity (afaik), so it would appear that not only I agree with TB0ne, at least in this specific case.
 
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Old 03-17-2020, 04:33 PM   #53
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You got it backwards.

To understand what this thread is about you really have to go back and look at the posting history of the member discussed here.

BTW, that goes for many of the most recent posters here.

It's not like I'm "collecting abusive posts", but I have met this member many times over the years and behaviour like that just sticks in my mind.
The only reason why people like that can carry on for so long is because they get forgotten, because most people on the internet have an even shorter attention span than I.

BTW, that member is now banned on LQ, an act that can only be carried out by the highest entity (afaik), so it would appear that not only I agree with TB0ne, at least in this specific case.
Despite the fact that some members make posts poorly explained or with little information, I've seen a pattern of nitpicking other members legitimatily asking for help almost for no reason by some members. If I recall correctly, one of the forum rules says something like "if you don't have anything constructive to say, don't participate" and this is a technical support forum after all.

Anyway, my two cents. I have nothing else to add, so I'm moving on.
 
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Old 03-18-2020, 01:56 AM   #54
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Despite the fact that some members make posts poorly explained or with little information, I've seen a pattern of nitpicking other members legitimatily asking for help almost for no reason by some members. If I recall correctly, one of the forum rules says something like "if you don't have anything constructive to say, don't participate" and this is a technical support forum after all.

Anyway, my two cents. I have nothing else to add, so I'm moving on.
Having the last word, are we?

...anyhow, I'm not saying TB0ne's behaviour is beyond reproach.
I'm not saying that at all.
But, I repeat, to understand what this thread is about you really have to go back and look at the posting history of the member discussed here.
That is, the member that was then banned, 69Rixter.
It's not about "posts poorly explained or with little information", not at all. It's about something quite different.
It all happened & was over and done by post #10 of this thread.
But as ever so often, people keep on ranting & venting, not remembering what started it all, only who started it...
 
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Old 03-18-2020, 03:26 AM   #55
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Having the last word, are we?

...anyhow, I'm not saying TB0ne's behaviour is beyond reproach.
I'm not saying that at all.
But, I repeat, to understand what this thread is about you really have to go back and look at the posting history of the member discussed here.
That is, the member that was then banned, 69Rixter.
It's not about "posts poorly explained or with little information", not at all. It's about something quite different.
It all happened & was over and done by post #10 of this thread.
But as ever so often, people keep on ranting & venting, not remembering what started it all, only who started it...
Yes, the member you are referring to seemed to be purposedly posting to get a reaction from other members (trolling?), but I've also seen some members nitpicking other posters quite often for no reason at all, other than to nitpick. Making a mountain out of a molehill, if you ask me. The best way to deal with trolls is to plainly ignore them, not to go witch hunting everyone for no reason. (And these are the type of people trolls target, precisely).
 
Old 03-18-2020, 08:31 AM   #56
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Yes, the member you are referring to seemed to be purposedly posting to get a reaction from other members (trolling?), but I've also seen some members nitpicking other posters quite often for no reason at all, other than to nitpick. Making a mountain out of a molehill, if you ask me. The best way to deal with trolls is to plainly ignore them, not to go witch hunting everyone for no reason. (And these are the type of people trolls target, precisely).
You are either intentionally ignoring what this thread/suggestion was, or are trolling yourself (which seems likely).

You think it's 'harassment' and 'abuse' when you're asked to provide details/proof about the (quite frankly) wild claims you make, and now seem to want to lambaste me for bringing this up. While I may be terse with people who show little to no effort, I certainly don't call people names and behave as the OP I pointed out, at least without significant provocation.

Coincidentally, you seem to have started posting again, right after user UTM was banned for *VERY* similar 'hacker' claims, much like the many other posters in the past year who post such things, get asked for proof, then they leave..only to have a new one pop up with nearly IDENTICAL 'problems'.
 
Old 03-18-2020, 08:45 AM   #57
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This thread is now _way_ off-track and is being closed. A reminder that LQ always aims to be a friendly welcoming place, which is something we very much plan to continue.

--jeremy
 
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