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Old 11-28-2011, 11:16 AM   #1
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KVM over IP and Window Manager


Hello,
Thank you for reading my post.

I there any recommended "Window Manager" for a "KVM over IP" usage?
(A "Window Manager" not a full "Desktop Environment" like Gnome or KDE).
Can you recommend one?
For example, is OpenBox a good choice?

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Old 11-28-2011, 05:40 PM   #2
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KVM over IP is usually a device separate from the OS. It would just depend on the device and it's bandwidth.

I am sort of kind of sure it would make no difference in the host's WM. The screen is being sent, not the underlying processing of the WM.
 
Old 11-29-2011, 01:59 PM   #3
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@jefro : Thank you for your answer.

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jefro wrote: The screen is being sent, not the underlying processing of the WM.
Yeah, you're right...
I'm just wondering if someone has a good experience with KVM over IP and a given WM... and could recommend that WM to me!

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Last edited by leamassiot; 11-30-2011 at 05:08 AM. Reason: Changed VM to WM after "recommend that"
 
Old 11-29-2011, 08:31 PM   #4
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We use hundreds of them. They work fine.

As for a VM, I'd maybe start with vmplayer. What do you want to do with this vm. The kind of reasons you have to use them would help narrow the choice.
 
Old 11-30-2011, 04:19 AM   #5
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@jefro : Thanks!

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jefro wrote: "As for a VM, I'd maybe start with vmplayer."
Why are you talking about a VM? (I'm sorry, did I miss a step?)

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jefro wrote: "What do you want to do with this vm?"
I guess you meant to write "WM"...
Very basic stuff, actually, console mode could nearly suit me... just need a lightweight Window Manager and I'd prefer a community commonly used one.

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Old 11-30-2011, 04:38 AM   #6
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I guess you meant to write "WM"...
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and could recommend that VM to me!
Nope, you did :P

Are you talking KVM (Kernelbased, virtual machine), or KVM (Keyboard Video Mouse)?
I think this is where the confusion has started.

If you are talking Keyboard Video Mouse, I have no real experience with them, but is something like VNC (largely similar to Window's RDP) likely to be of any use to you?
 
Old 11-30-2011, 05:08 AM   #7
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About the "VM confusion story":
Oh dear! I'm sorry. My bad. No excuse.
I'm going to correct that if I can.

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fukawi1 wrote: Are you talking KVM (Kernelbased, virtual machine), or KVM (Keyboard Video Mouse)?
It's KVM (Keyboard Video Mouse) over IP.

Again, I'm sorry.
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Old 11-30-2011, 05:45 AM   #8
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To the best of my knowledge (as i said before, its rather limited), iKVM uses additional hardware (external or PCI) and converts the K V & M signals into packets to be transferred over the IP.

So I dont see the particular WM/DE to be of particular importance.

From a performance perspective, depending on the connection speed (local network speeds or internet speeds), the less visual data that has to be converted/transmitted, would give you better performance. VNC and the like often disable transmitting the desktop background, as well as other effects (transparency, etc).

I think any of the light weight WM's would be fine (openbox/lxde/fluxbox/etc).
 
Old 11-30-2011, 12:24 PM   #9
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fukawi1 wrote: "the less visual data that has to be converted/transmitted, would give you better performance"
That's a good observation.

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fukawi1 wrote: "I think any of the light weight WM's would be fine (openbox/lxde/fluxbox/etc)."
Ok. Do you know which one is the lightest and most popular (popularity is better for support, updates, etc)?

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Old 11-30-2011, 03:21 PM   #10
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Can anyone recommend a good eye glass company? Sorry, I thought I read VM not W M. Probably got the idea this was posted in visualization forum.

Almost all of them are directed at enterprise level users. They are expensive and only useful for remote access to stands of servers. They are like any video device. They transmit up to some spec. The first ones used very basic vga settings but now they tend to get close to HD quality. We have a few hundred in use everyday. I have never had to replace one if that means anything.

It doesn't matter what type of gui you run. The iKVMoes it from it's input signal and converts it to either some open standard or a closed end to end standard. It is just like asking what type of KVM would work better for Gnome or KDE? They just don't care.

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Old 11-30-2011, 11:31 PM   #11
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Sorry, I thought I read VM not W M. Probably got the idea this was posted in visualization forum.
I see what you did there!

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Ok. Do you know which one is the lightest and most popular (popularity is better for support, updates, etc)?
Pick the one you are most comfortable with. If you have the need for this kind of gear, I would imagine the level of GUI support should be fairly low on your list of important stuff to worry about in a day.
 
Old 12-01-2011, 03:38 PM   #12
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I was confused from the start. sorry.

Not sure I do know yet.

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Old 12-02-2011, 02:55 AM   #13
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jefro wrote: "I was confused from the start. sorry."
No problem. My bad: I wrote "VM" instead of "WM". Thanks for being nice. I appreciate.

By the way, I don't know if it's a good choice but I chose "awesome", a tiling Window manager.
- http://wiki.debian.org/WindowManager
- http://awesome.naquadah.org/

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