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Old 11-15-2023, 06:21 PM   #1
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How is DMARC supposed to work? Getting flooded with reports.


I have a DMARC TXT record:
Code:
v=DMARC1; p=none; pct=100; fo=1; rua=mailto:dmarc-reports@novatec-inc.com"
I recently subscribe to the users@tomcat.apache.org maillist. I am now getting innundated with DMARC reports. This morning I received 20 reports. This afternoon another 30. The vast majority of these are "<envelope_from>tomcat.apache.org" and/or <domain>tomcat.apache.org". Since subscribing to that maillist I have received well over 200 DMARC reports pertaining to tomcat.apache.org, yet I've only received a total of 22 messages from this list since I subscribed 6 days ago. The report "<org_name>" (providers) are all over, gmail, amazonses, microsoft, yahoo, ...

What's up? Why am I getting so many reports pertaining to tomcat.apache.org, even though I've only received 22 actual messages? How do I stop this flood without unsubscribing from this list?
 
Old 11-16-2023, 03:11 AM   #2
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I have a DMARC TXT record:
Code:
v=DMARC1; p=none; pct=100; fo=1; rua=mailto:dmarc-reports@novatec-inc.com"
I recently subscribe to the users@tomcat.apache.org maillist. I am now getting innundated with DMARC reports. This morning I received 20 reports. This afternoon another 30. The vast majority of these are "<envelope_from>tomcat.apache.org" and/or <domain>tomcat.apache.org". Since subscribing to that maillist I have received well over 200 DMARC reports pertaining to tomcat.apache.org, yet I've only received a total of 22 messages from this list since I subscribed 6 days ago. The report "<org_name>" (providers) are all over, gmail, amazonses, microsoft, yahoo, ...

What's up? Why am I getting so many reports pertaining to tomcat.apache.org, even though I've only received 22 actual messages? How do I stop this flood without unsubscribing from this list?
I think that it's because of the fo option.

Also you should set "p=quarantine" because many receiving ends will complain about the "p=none" policy. See this for a combination with the pct option you're using.


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Old 11-16-2023, 10:50 PM   #3
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I don't presume to know much about DMARC. To what "to" option are you referring? "mailto"? As to the p=quarantine, setting, I don't really understand how that works. The tomcat.apache.org DMARC report aren't necessarily indicating spam, so what is the "p=" criteria considering? Here's one example:
Code:
Email Provider: optum.com
Email: MAILER-DAEMON@mail10665.corpmailsvcs.com
Extra Contact Info: dmarcreport@optum.com
Report Id: 86cab0$e03349d=f07c5ed6b74d2a62@optum.com
Report Start Date:  2023-11-10 01:00:08
Report End Date:  2023-11-11 01:00:14
Domain: novatec-inc.com
<adkim> DKIM Alignment: r Relaxed
<aspf> SPF Alignment: r Relaxed
<p> Public Key: none
<sp> Subdomain Policy: 
<pct> Policy Applies: 100%
Source IP: 3.227.148.255 
Email Volume: 1
Policy Disposition: none
DKIM Disposition: fail
SPF Disposition: fail
Header From: novatec-inc.com 
Envelope From: tomcat.apache.org 
SPF Auth. Domain: tomcat.apache.org
SPF Scope: mfrom
SPF Results: pass
Not understanding much about DMARC, I don't get why the DKIM Disposition and SPF Dispostion (tags <dkim> and <spf>) are both "fail", but then it says SPF results (tag <auth_results><spf><results>) is "pass". Not all the tomcat.apache.org messages are the same. Some have SPF results "pass".

I'm unclear as to why I'm getting all these reports in the first place when I've only sent and/or received a total of 29 messages on this maillist in a week, yet I'm getting 30+ tomcat DMARC reports daily.

Last edited by mfoley; 11-16-2023 at 10:52 PM.
 
Old 11-17-2023, 03:57 AM   #4
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I don't presume to know much about DMARC. To what "to" option are you referring? "mailto"? As to the p=quarantine, setting, I don't really understand how that works. The tomcat.apache.org DMARC report aren't necessarily indicating spam, so what is the "p=" criteria considering?
It's "fo" with an F not "to". See the link in my post above about that option...


Quote:
Policy Disposition: none
DKIM Disposition: fail
SPF Disposition: fail
Header From: novatec-inc.com
Envelope From: tomcat.apache.org
SPF Auth. Domain: tomcat.apache.org
SPF Scope: mfrom
SPF Results: pass

Not understanding much about DMARC, I don't get why the DKIM Disposition and SPF Dispostion (tags <dkim> and <spf>) are both "fail", but then it says SPF results (tag <auth_results><spf><results>) is "pass". Not all the tomcat.apache.org messages are the same. Some have SPF results "pass".

I'm unclear as to why I'm getting all these reports in the first place when I've only sent and/or received a total of 29 messages on this maillist in a week, yet I'm getting 30+ tomcat DMARC reports daily.
I guess that you get these fail/pass reports because in the mail you get when you post in the list, the "Header From" is different from the "Envelope From".

You can learn more about DMARC here
 
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Old 11-21-2023, 10:08 AM   #5
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Well, this is interesting. I've gone from getting upwards of 60 DMARC reports daily, mostly from that tomcat.apache.org maillist domain, to now getting none at all. I'm back to the usual half-dozen reports a day. I'm wondering why. Would this have anything to do with whether opendkim is running or are these completely separate things? Thoughts appreciated.
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I guess that you get these fail/pass reports because in the mail you get when you post in the list, the "Header From" is different from the "Envelope From".
Yes, that's what I was thinking. I'll have to investigate why those headers are different.
Quote:
You can learn more about DMARC here
Thanks for that link. That will help me a lot to sort out what this whole DMARC thing is.
 
Old 12-09-2023, 02:13 AM   #6
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Two weeks after my last post I've received zero DMARC reports related to tomcat.apache.org whereas I was receiving 60-ish a day. I have no idea why. Thanks for that explanatory link.
 
  


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