Sorry to do this craigevil. Debian Packages says Squeeze has 0.6.3-3.2+squeeze1, Wheezy and Sid have 0.6.5-1

So the person says. He or she also lists a *buntu as the primary OS. You are completely correct. Someone who can use Gentoo should not have any difficulty with Debian. So why the inability to do the most basic things with Debian?
In other words, trolling?
I wanted to call the OP a troll half-way through the first page, but refrained because I wanted to give the person the benefit of the doubt. A Gentoo user who never fools with Debian, because he cannot figure it out? Sounds suspiciously like the oft posted complaint on the Debian forum about "Why are my founts not as pretty on Debian as on my beloved Ubuntu?"

Craigevil was talking about the ia64, mipsel, s390, source and multi-arch versions k3lt, come on get with it! (lame joke, couldn't resist)

Hi all. As the original poster of this thread, basically my initial post was mostly out of frustration. As I have since moved on at this point, I can recollect to the best of my memory and hopefully clarify. As for the apt-get not being there, it seems it was there but it would not get anything. It would simply return 0 packages or whatever. I'm talking "sudo apt-get update" did nothing, "sudo apt-get install synaptic" or "...install aptitude would do nothing. I made sure I was administrator and was being granted access to all appropriate groups and such and even check the sources list and it seemed as it should have been but I could not edit it if I recall correctly, however I did not use gedit but rather sudo nano -w and still was denied permission. This all was a first for me so I just abandoned it and moved to another distro. It was sad and frustrating as it was the first of any installation or live Debian CD to actually detect my wifi driver and such but I was at a loss at this point. Besides, I would have preferred a newer KDE to start with. But this was one of the Squeeze 1.1 GB install DVDs you can get from Debian's website and I was taken back that apt-get did not function at all.

Anyhow, we can continue to do discuss things or mark this as solved. I'm using CentOS now as the moment but if anyone wants to contribute further, please do although replies from me will be touch and go.

Hi,

Too bad you turned your back on Debian. You mention that you would have preferred a newer version of KDE but yet you choose CentOS which is like Red Hat always with older versions of all software then Debian. I'm sure that with a little patience we could have helped you out fixing your problems with Debian. But after all it's your choice. Have fun with Linux.

Kind regards,

Eric

I didn't turn my back on Debian. And I'm only using CentOs to try a couple of things out, in particular how hard it is to install multimedia codecs and also find out if its possible to upgrade to KDE 4.8. I respect Debian very much in fact. Its not polite to make false accusations.

Yeah! how dare you, barnac1e didn't turn his back on Debian. He "just "abandoned it". Big difference :-P


@barnacle.
apt-get and aptitude are both installed off a default Debian install
It sounds like exactly what i suspected originally, you don't have a mirror selected. Without seeing your source.list file, i obviously can't be sure though. Have you heard of the command su? (no sarcasm in that question) I don't know if sudo is enabled by default in Debian, and if it isn't, that would explain why you couldn't edit your sources.list.

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Hi,

@barnac1e: Sorry you interpreted my post like an accusation. The fact that you changed Debian for CentOS because you couldn't get it to work is an indicator to me that you didn't want to invest any time to get something to work. If you want something that just works go with Ubuntu. I agree that 'turned your back' might have been a wrong choice of words and for that I apologize. I blame myself, not being native English speaking, for choosing my words poorly. I'll be more careful the next time, sorry. As Knightron said, abandoned might be more appropriate.

Also, 'abandoning' Debian because you cannot get something to work and referring to Gentoo in your distribution list is in my opinion a contradictio in terminis.

Kind regards,

Eric

Man, I don't know. I have problemos out the wazoo with Debian, and even Ubuntu sometimes. Of course, I am using a GPT partition table and utilizing my UEFI bootloader and most distros have not figured out how the bootloader is supposed to work. If Debian stable is still sitting back at KDE 4.66 and a Linux 2.65 kernel, I'm wary if they know how to configure a bootloader for a GPT with UEFI yet. Gentoo on the other hand does. Or actually specifically Funtoo, Sabayon, and Calculate Linux. So there's a logical answer for you.

Oh, and its not just Debian based distros but Slackware too. Forget about installing Slackware to a GPT disk.

But sorry for any miscommunication or thinking you were accusing me. No harm, no foul.

Like Knightron implied, unless you've set it up, you cant use 'sudo' on debian. 'Su' then run the same commands.

I dont think that its a mirror problem, but without seeing a source.list I'm just guessing.

Squeeze is using KDE 4.6.5, not 4.66. Kernel version is 2.6.32, not 2.65. I havent tried UEFI or GPT on sqeeze, so I dont know if it would work or not. Current testing/sid releases should have no problems.

Funtoo, Sabayon and Calculate are based on gentoo. They arent gentoo though.

I'd agree, though it seems that barnac1e isnt actually using gentoo. I'd guess that testing/sid would be easier than gentoo, depending on the user and experience.

Thanks for clarifying on those specifics. Well, I can speak for Aptosid and it installs fine but there are problems with getting my wireless up and running with it, and that's even after working through the Aptosid manual to set it up. And I know I have a pretty common PCI adapter. That's as far as I've gotten with Sid. Crunchbang works fine for me, though but I've only used it with the backports enabled.

By the way, these commands that Aptosid uses such as "sux" and "ceni" to enable networking, are they specific to Aptosid or are these new terms that are used by Debian in Sid?

Please see my attachment on the i/o as I atempted to first update/upgrade Debian and then what it tells me. See, how it will not do anything? What is this about? So if I can get this resolved, maybe I can work with Debian for once?

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barnac1e, it's exactly as you've been told several times:

1. You haven't configured 'sudo' (not a deal-breaker since you can use 'su')

2. Your sources.list are incorrect if you want to get updates through the web mirrors. (If you prefer to use the Debian CD-ROM as your local repository, then you did it correctly. apt-get is correctly and informatively telling you that your system is up to date based on your current software sources.)

Check out: http://debgen.simplylinux.ch/ (steer clear of any 3rd party repos until you have the basics working OK)

You might know that, but we can't help you unless you tell us...

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Yes normally I agree with you but now after adding these sources (see new attachment), still nothing from apt-get. Meanwhile, I will check out your link.

I just can't help but wonder: why can't they just toss in the one app KUser on the live CD, just to maybe simplify ONE thing. Instead it seems they insist I chase down a bunch of commands. Also, I do have aptitude up, but I have no idea how to use this. It shows a total of 5 installed apps, lol, and a whole bunch of virtual apps.

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sux is in Debian repos, ceni is a sidux/aptosid package, it is simple to install in Debian and does work properly.

sudo is not enabled by default in Debian.

Synaptic, gdebi, software-center and other shiny packages management tools are also not installed by default. But are easily installed with either apt-get or aptitude providing your sources.list is set up correctly. If you did not have a working internet connection during the install chances are sources.list is not setup correctly.

No need to use sux , Gnome uses gksu, which also works in KDE if installed. Or you can setup sudo and use kdesudo.

paste your /etc/apt/sources.list

and the output of lspci -vv

Debian is not a cutting edge distro, its main focus is on Stable. Even sid or experimental tend to lag a few versions behind upstream. KDE on sid is at 4.7.4 while upstream is at 4.8.