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Old 09-22-2019, 12:07 PM   #76
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Can you explain why I would be looking up any of a very long list of distros that I am not using, that may or may not contradict information elsewhere?

I did find this link:

https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/407...y-i-eventually

 
Old 09-22-2019, 12:34 PM   #77
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What you are saying Firerat is that I should have used "a good one"?

Anything particular that gives them away?

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Old 09-22-2019, 02:23 PM   #78
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What you are saying Firerat is that I should have used "a good one"?
I don't know which one you have
https://neon.kde.org/download
The "User" or "Testing" ?

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Anything particular that gives them away?
broken software..

To be fair, this "Discover" thing.. it isn't critical.
You can use the command line to install/upgrade software.

But if clean fresh install of "User Edition" has a broken flagship Package Manger I would question the QA of that Distro.
What else will arrive broken?

now , this Neon uses Ubuntu as its base
Neon does not really have much control over that base repo, it can only control the kde side of things
If changes are made to Ubuntu kde must adapt.

Ubuntu may have made changes which are fine with the kde they package, but breaks Neons kde.

This is the problem with that Distro Model


Debian controls the whole repo, ( unless user adds things themselves )
They will not ship packages to stable before they are certain it will work with the rest of the system


New packages enter Sid ( aka unstable )
after a period of time without major problems it enters Testing ( currently Bullseye )

eventually Testing is frozen is tweaked and polished.
then testing becomes Stable and all other releases are shifted.

Code:
oldoldstable -> archive/codename
oldstable    -> oldoldstable
stable       -> oldstable
testing      -> stable
sid is always Sid
why sid?
Sid is the older kid in "Toy Story" who tortured the toys
This is where the new packages get tortured.

all the Debian codenames are characters from Toy Story

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian_version_history


if you go with Debian Stable you are unlikely to get a package with a bug like Discover had.
But, you won't get "The latest and Greatest"
https://neon.kde.org/

Code:
         Introducing KDE neon
The latest and greatest of KDE community software
        packaged on a rock-solid base.
that "rock-solid" base is currently Ubuntu 18.04
which is some snapshot of Buster when it was Sid, with added Ubuntu tweaks ( they try to add the latest and greatest software ).

The question is, if you simply ignore the problem with Discover
Are you happy with Neon?

It will get fixed at some point, and like I say.. it isn't really a showstopper. I would never have experienced that bug as I don't use GUI Package Managers.

generalisations : -
if you want to be on the bleeding edge of Red hat, Fedora ( akin to sid for Red Hat )
if not go CentOS ( none Commerical version of Red hat )
you also have OpenSuse Tumbleweed which is akin to Sid
I'm not sure what their release model is like.

Last edited by Firerat; 09-22-2019 at 02:27 PM. Reason: it's catches me everytime.. probably more in there
 
Old 09-22-2019, 03:23 PM   #79
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Good advice, an evolving knowledge of what is going on helps.

My objective has been to shape the most flexible Distros I could find, and avoided anything that was "bleeding edge".

I will steer to GUI because I believe that to be productive and not something to be avoided.

I have an extremely good sense of direction and sense of where I am, where my wife does not. I always wondered why that was, how I could go somewhere new or I have not been for a very long time and orient myself successfully. It is because I pick up on the physical clues and the sense of organisation inherent in where I am.

The OS That Can Not Be Named has that in spades, although Apple has taken the edge off it in the last 8 or so years.

I have grabbed a series of vodcasts that show how to implement a rational layout, with global menus in predictable order and with smooth previewing and interaction with files. That is a very Maclike thing for which I make no apologies, it doesn't have to be, if there is a better way I will use that as well, but that is the bones on which I will build my Distros.

So far KDE Neon Plasma 5 looks closest to that and most adaptable. I will work around Discover if I have to.

I think visually, spatially and logically and expect the same of my UI. Easter eggs, bad spelling, bad grammar, lack of checking and lack of anticipation of user's needs drives me nuts. I find it insulting and time wasting.

Sudoku Apps that can't even get the squares square, as I have found recently, let alone anything else in the UI, I find ridiculous and beneath contempt, as should anyone else at first glance. A symptom of "That's good enough", when it patently is not.

I do my job to the best of my abilities and with consideration for the next person who has to handle it, I expect others to do the same.

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Old 09-22-2019, 03:45 PM   #80
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you also have OpenSuse Tumbleweed which is akin to Sid
Not closely.

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I'm not sure what their release model is like.
https://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Tumbleweed explains. I think of it as more like Fedora except for magnitudes higher release frequency and shorter time in QA. It's package manager Zypper is so competent upgrading that new installations are mostly pointless for its routine users, while Factory is so stringent, TW is still on kernel 5.2.x, and Factory's systemd is up to 243.5 while TW is on an 8 week old 242.3.
 
Old 09-22-2019, 04:03 PM   #81
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Good advice, an evolving knowledge of what is going on helps.

My objective has been to shape the most flexible Distros I could find, and avoided anything that was "bleeding edge".
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I will steer to GUI because I believe that to be productive and not something to be avoided.
The reason I use the Command Line more than GUI is I find it more productive
I can navigate the filesystem much faster via the commandline than I can with a GUI file manager for instance

updates are usually
Code:
apt list --upgradable
I review that list, and maybe look at changelogs
apt changelog <package>
sometimes I think.. do I still use/need that? and remove
Code:
sudo apt upgrade

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I have an extremely good sense of direction and sense of where I am, where my wife does not. I always wondered why that was, how I could go somewhere new or I have not been for a very long time and orient myself successfully. It is because I pick up on the physical clues and the sense of organisation inherent in where I am.
yes, you demonstrated that solving the bios problem.

If you are talking about the pure physical world, you are Male this is why you have a different bias with spacial awareness
You wife may have had a better chance of solving the Bios issue as that is more a fine detail task.

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The OS That Can Not Be Named has that in spades, although Apple has taken the edge off it in the last 8 or so years.
has what?
you are bad with detail.
you were slowly trained to click this pretty picture, look I make it bounce for you.
Looks like the programmers programmed you well.
now no other OS will be good enough
Good Boy, here have a treat ..

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I have grabbed a series of vodcasts that show how to implement a rational layout, with global menus in predictable order and with smooth previewing and interaction with files. That is a very Maclike thing for which I make no apologies, it doesn't have to be, if there is a better way I will use that as well, but that is the bones on which I will build my Distros.
you can spend time with your mouse

I'll find once and stick on quick launch bar
Or
I'll just type the program name
Or, I'll write a script...
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So far KDE Neon Plasma 5 looks closest to that and most adaptable. I will work around Discover if I have to.


yeap,
Code:
sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade
if you see Discover upgrade, it may be fixed.
 
  


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