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Old 09-08-2003, 11:36 AM   #1
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new os for Toshiba pda


This may not even be an appropriate question, but I'll ask anyway.

In May I bought a Toshiba Pocket PC e335 while visiting America. Little did I know that in less than a month I would be migrating from Windoze to Linux. Now I find myself with a pda which won't sync with any Linux packages, and some software I really want to use with it is written only for Palm OS. So, here's the question:

Is there any way to change the OS on this pda? Otherwise, I'll need to try and sell it and then buy something else to replace it.
 
Old 09-08-2003, 06:34 PM   #2
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"Is there any way to change the OS on this pda?"

The version of Linux that runs on PDAs is called embedded Linux. I don't know whether anybody has ported embedded Linux to the Toshiba Pocket PC e335 or not. You could do a Google search on "Toshiba Pocket PC e335 embedded Linux" and see what you can find.

If nobody has ported embedded Linux to your PDA then you could do so yourself but that is a major project.

In the case of the Palm OS, I do not think that you can use the Palm OS on a PDA that Toshiba has not paid Palm to use their OS.

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Old 09-08-2003, 07:02 PM   #3
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Thanks for the reply Steve.

Before ever coming here I Googled and searched everywhere I could find anything about a pda. I thought that perhaps at LQ some guru who could make even a washing machine run software might know how to do this.

Embedded Linux isn't ported to the Toshiba Pocket PC e335, so far as I can determine. And I am years away from being able to do anything such as that, if ever!

Also, I have enough problems with "software alternatives" using Debian. The software that I want to run is only written for Palm OS right now, anyway. My question probably shouldn't have been at LQ.

This is the link
http://www.pleco.com/products.html
for the product. From seeing you in previous threads concerning Chinese, you'll understand if you check it out. I have a friend using this software. While we're on the streets, we can look at signs written in Hanzi, write the character into Pleco's software, and get the definition in English and Pinyin. It's very convenient, and a great source of learning while going about the daily business.

So, I guess I'll sell my pocket pc and get one with Palm OS.
 
Old 09-08-2003, 08:55 PM   #4
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"So, I guess I'll sell my pocket pc and get one with Palm OS."

You should consider buying a pocket pc which runs Palm OS and for which sombody has already ported embedded Linux.

" I thought that perhaps at LQ some guru who could make even a washing machine run software might know how to do this."

You should have posted this question on the washing machine forum.
 
Old 09-08-2003, 09:59 PM   #5
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educate me

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You should consider buying a pocket pc which runs Palm OS and for which sombody has already ported embedded Linux.
Since Pocket PC is a Microsoft OS, how would it run Palm OS? And how would embedded Linux run software from Pleco designed for Palm OS? (This is not flame bait, but I just want to use some software. Not spend forever trying to figure out how to make an OS jump through hoops to use something that wasn't designed for it in the first place.)

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You should have posted this question on the washing machine forum.
Jeremy has done a great job of adding new forums, but the Washing Machine Forum still hasn't had enough posts in other areas of LQ to warrant it's own space on the server. To date, there are still only eight threads which could have even remotely qualified for the Washing Machine Forum. And one of them was started by a Moderator who has probably never even read the manual for his washing machine.

Now, perhaps if someone else were willing to host the Washing Machine Forum...
 
Old 09-08-2003, 10:19 PM   #6
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Sorry, I made a mistake in that sentence. It should read:

You should consider buying a handheld which runs Palm OS and for which sombody has already ported embedded Linux.

I just remembered that in the pinying/English discussion you asked to see a web site that I created using Bluefish. At the time I had nothing to show. Here is an example of a web site that I created using Bluefish:

http://users.rcn.com/srstites/LifeBo...home.page.html
 
Old 09-08-2003, 10:30 PM   #7
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Steve,

Thanks for the qualification.

I clicked on your link and received this from IE6. (Sorry, but I can't try from my Debian system right now. I messed something up and currently can't go online from Debian.)

The XML page cannot be displayed
Cannot view XML input using style sheet. Please correct the error and then click the Refresh button, or try again later.


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Processing instruction was not closed. Error processing resource 'http://users.rcn.com/srstites/LifeBoat/LifeBoat.home.page.html'. Line 2, Position 11

<?DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "DTD/xhtmll-strict.dtd">
----------^
 
Old 09-08-2003, 10:49 PM   #8
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Thanks,

One of the problems in creating web sites is that they have to be displayable on all of the ideosycracies of every web browser. I never tried displaying it on Windows because I don't have Windows.

I'll see if I can fix it tommorrow to where it will work on IE6 also.
 
Old 09-08-2003, 11:12 PM   #9
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I may have found the web site problem. The problem is that both my old and new version work OK on Mozilla and both should also work on IE6 but obviously the first way did not work on IE6.

Please do me the favor of trying IE6 again.
 
Old 09-08-2003, 11:24 PM   #10
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Originally posted by jailbait
I may have found the web site problem. The problem is that both my old and new version work OK on Mozilla and both should also work on IE6 but obviously the first way did not work on IE6.

Please do me the favor of trying IE6 again.
it could be an IE 6 css problem. i admin a forum and we had a couple of members using IE 6 with that same kind of problem where IE 6 would complain about an xml error and just display code.

http://forums.invisionpower.com/inde...howtopic=71298

get rid of "<?xml version="1.0" encoding="iso-8859-1"?>" in your code and then just add that "html {overflow-x:auto}" in your css.
 
Old 09-08-2003, 11:51 PM   #11
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Thanks megaspaz,

I'll try that in the morning.
 
Old 09-08-2003, 11:56 PM   #12
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Steve,

I can't offer more than the new error at this point.

The XML page cannot be displayed
Cannot view XML input using style sheet. Please correct the error and then click the Refresh button, or try again later.


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The system cannot locate the object specified. Error processing resource 'http://users.rcn.com/srstites/LifeBoat/DTD/xhtmll-strict.dtd'.



However, megaspaz may have a point worthy to be investigated.

That is one of many reasons I find it necessary to keep a Windoze OS on hand. Whether you or I like it or not, there are tons more people using Internet Explorer under Windoze to browse web sites than all browsers and open source distros combined. If our web pages don't display properly on IE, we've lost most of our audience.

For web design, Dreamweaver has an awful lot of experience writing html that would take me years to learn. At the present time, I'm spending untold hours just trying to get a Debian GNU/Linux system running properly and secured. It is exciting, to say the least, but "not yet ready for prime time."

Every time I try open source software to replace what I use in Windoze, it either doesn't work as it should, or there are an awful lot of hoops to jump through to even come close to what you can do with the software running under Windoze.

In Dreamweaver, for instance, with settings on a menu, you can preview your entire web site in different browsers - even different versions of different browsers. Then, you can save the site and open a Linux distro and preview it there.

I'm currently using Mozilla Firebird for browsing under Debian, and it is light years behind IE6 in every aspect.

I'll be glad to keep checking your site.

By the way, your site seems to display just fine using Mozilla-Firebird 0.6.1 under Windoze XP Pro SP1 (fully patched).

Bruce
 
Old 09-09-2003, 12:10 AM   #13
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I'm currently using Mozilla Firebird for browsing under Debian, and it is light years behind IE6 in every aspect.

I'll be glad to keep checking your site.

By the way, your site seems to display just fine using Mozilla-Firebird 0.6.1 under Windoze XP Pro SP1 (fully patched).

Bruce
lol, firebird renders site fine in windows, which means it will render the site fine in linux. that css bug is part of valid xml and ie6 chokes on it. now which browser is light years behind?

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Old 09-09-2003, 09:41 AM   #14
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OK, I made the changes recommended by megaspaz. The web site displays OK with Mozilla and konqueror (but with slight formatting differences bewteen the two). Could you check it with IE6 please?
 
Old 09-09-2003, 10:55 AM   #15
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Steve,

The page pops up quickly in IE6, and for a very brief second I can see the blue background color, but when the page fully loads, the background is gone. Therefore, the white text is missing from the page. The colored titles and the Download LifeBoat text and logo are still readable - however, the box around the logo is white rather than blue due to the missing background. (An extra note: in IE6, when the background loads there are no green, wavy lines; but when the lines load, the background disappears.)

It still loads fine in Mozilla-Firebird under Windoze, though I didn't try it in any other browsers. In Firebird, it does scroll very slowly, which it doesn't do in IE6.

I'm about to do some maintenance on my Debian system. When this is done, I will download LifeBoat for my personal use. Glad to have seen the page; this looks like nice work.

Hope this helps.

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