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Distribution: Ubuntu 11.4,DD-WRT micro plus ssh,lfs-6.6,Fedora 15,Fedora 16
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Originally Posted by cascade9
IMO yes.
The AMD 7XX/8XX chipsets with onboard video all use HD 2XXX/3XXX/4XXX IGPs. Support for HD 2XXX-4XXX chipsets has been dropped, so there wont be any closed source drivers for future xorg versions.
IGPs without added onbaord memory will always use some of the main system RAM (and system RAM I/Os).
The onboard video chipsets are less likely to get BIOS updates to work with future AMD CPUs.
IMO the onboard video chipsets are less reliable than the chipsets without IGPs.
The M5A97 is actualy abit cheaper than the M5A88-M. You can get a AMD HD 5450 (or nVidia G210) less than $30. So even if you bought a M5A97 and a video card over a M5A88-M its not going to increase the costs that much.
granted, but for the OP's needs (text console), anything more than onboard video would be shal we say.. overkill.
If you want some good machine you can make Intel Itanium 4x/8 Web server.
Processor: 9320 4-core, 1.33* GHz, 16 MB cache, 4.8 GT/s, Power (TDB) 155 W
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* Have in mind that the increase of the clock frequency increases the energy consumption of the system, the power dissipation requirements, etc.
Buy the processor first!
Look at the socket - PAC611; PAC418 (original Itanium); LGA1248 (Itanium 9300 series) - and find appropriate mother board.
When you assemble the machine try it with OS supporting Itanium 64: Fedora 14 or 15; Centos 6 or Ubuntu 10 or s.th. ONE-BY-ONE with ONLY ONE OS installed at a time on the HDD (not on USB or DVD), and measure:
10 times the switch-on time;
10x the switch off time;
10x opening of a browser with Web pages (for example Google);
10x opening of the browser of public mail servers (Yahoo for example), etc.
After having the results for the selected OSs take a decision which will be the OS.
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N.B.: Test the web at one and the same time of the day, otherwise the results will be invalidated.
RE: 'Pretty much all the Itanium systems you will find are prebuilt'
In the general case-yes, but this is an advantage rather than drawback. You can find Itanium modules from any manufacturer (if found from appropriate OEM no hardware dedicated to a particular company). I know guys succeeded to assemble Itanium servers from manufacturers of the five continents. BTW the processors of this series are sold freely in the computer stores ... and widely on Internet.
RE: 'too expensive'
The older systems are not so expensive. Compaq (2001) - ProLiant 590; IBM (2003) - x455; Dell (2005) - PowerEdge 7250; Hitachi (2007) - Blade Symphony 1000; Fujitsu (2011) - Primequest
Motherboards with Itanium socket (but you should know beforehand which one) can be found all over the distribution chains of computer assembling.
The OEM prices are about 15-20% lower.
RE: 'Itanium doesn't use x86'
All 'priceless' APPs x86 have the corresponding IA-64 developments. Your computer doesn't use BASIC and DOS as well-so what.
RE: 'the video card'
Just for the record - what are you going to use this video card on a web server for? You can put 2x NVIDIA Tesla Cards on the PCI (a joke).
Go on, find an itanium CPU or motherboard at newegg, bestbuy, etc.. They are avaible, but only at a small number of outlets.
Itanium stuff IS expensive. Sure, you can find old system 2nd hand for less money, but then you are buying older tech, and have all the issues with 2nd hand stuff as well..and x86 hardware of the same age would be cheaper.
Even if itanium was a decent deal (they arent IMO) that doesnt help that itanium was really designed and performs best with very specific tasks.
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Originally Posted by jefro
I think that itanium was a misplaced post or a so-so joke. ?
Dont know, but it looks like a True Believer In Itanium to me.....
Assembling a computer system is an elementary optimisation problem.
You have the parameters:
- Processing power = max
- Saving electricity = max
- Reliability = max
- Flawless operation = max
- Performance = max
- 1/Maintenance = max (minimisation of the maintenance costs)
And you have to solve this problem for a web server within a budget constraint.
It makes no sense buying superfast processor with 'wooden' motherboard or 'stumble' HDD, or whatever. The priorities of a server are fast memory (processor cash), fast memory (on the motherboard) and fast memory (of the HDD exchange, if there are some websites hosted on it).
It is natural for the solution of this optimisation problem to be different for the different budget constraints (of USD 500, 2500 or 5500 for example).
It all depends where you intend to put your money - in the computer system, or in maintenance costs and in the phone calls (lost time ... and nerves), and missed profit of unsatisfied customers (having taken off their websites or blogs or ads).
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