@FTIO, you've also not backed up any of your claims. Please name the "folks" who left Debian to start Devuan?
You won't be able to, because no "folks" left Debian to start Devuan:
https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comme...e_debian_fork/
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First of all, who are the "Veteran Unix Admins", or VUAs. VUAs are a group of individuals associated with a private forum, created around 3 years ago by a group of "old" sysadmins. These were all friends, mostly from the Milan area.
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If you read on you see he alludes to some Debian developers being among that number, but none have been publicly revealed and that was years ago. The founders were the "VUAs".
The three individuals listed here are the "core team" and not former Debian developers:
https://www.devuan.org/os/team
Since then I can only think of one Debian maintainer who now works on the project (and that's the current sysvinit maintainer).
So you've posted a lot of speculation about who started Debian, while not have any real grasp of the facts.
You ask why Torvalds hasn't embraced it? I ask why he hasn't thoroughly denounced it? Follow the money. (Also no idea why you're asking me - an opponent of systemd.)
You also ask why
"so many others with far more knowledge of what it is and what it does and what it *will* do to Linux, than you have about it (I'm presuming), embraced it also?". As you said, you
presume. You've clearly pulled that one from the "nether world". Who are these mystical "others"? Where are the citations you claim that I need before posting my opinion, but which you seemingly don't?
Half way through your rather petulant rant, you go on the defensive and it's clear you've painted me as a systemd apologist, so obviously this a kneejerk response from someone who didn't care to read properly. I have been on this site for close to 20 years and have never once defended systemd. If you want people to read
your posts, then you should take greater care before simply piling on someone without bothering to read properly. You should also do some more research instead of alluding to some mystical "devs".
I think you've seized on my comments regarding systemd not being an MS "registry" or "svchost" (as was openly posted and applauded on the dyne.org mailing lists and is is often posted on their forums) and taken that as a "defense" of systemd. Those are simply facts - the registry is more like dconf or an SQLite db and svchost is similar to inetd. systemd was simply a rip off of Apple Inc's launchd. Poettering was incessant in his praise for Apple during the early years of systemd development.
(Also, I invite anyone to spend an hour searching their forums and then tell me they didn't find
uncensored right wing, white supremacist, racist and anti Semitic propaganda, which had been posted openly under the nose of the admin, who only acted late once they'd had their sport and failed to delete the offending content. I won't say any more about that, but invite anyone to do their own research - check for yourselves first before responding with flames.)
But, as this turned nasty and
"ad hominem",
I'm out...
