Good day, rpgfan, Anthrax888 and JW

I'm glad we finally found ground for discussion and the intentions are clear, that we all want to help out make migration from windows > Linux easier. Thank you JW for allowing us to discuss this in the forum.


Anthrax888, you dont need a Linux Hero, all you need is a bunch of problem solvers focused on a problem.

I will try my best to answer any of your questions, but I'll stick it here on this thread, if the moderators wouldnt mind. I will not answer how/where to get illegal or pirate software here in this forum (as per compliance to the forum policy).

Rpgfan, yes I agree, there are a lot of wannabee's and newbies in Linux right now in the Philippines and they spawned at an alarming rate. I had just installed at a shop at Blumentritt just the other day, and I saw the guy at the other shop installing linux as well and raving that he can do this and that, make ms applications run here and there. I just shrugged the idea.

What I have learned from the past is that, Microsoft software is intended to run on Microsoft platforms, and will run efficiently (?) on it. Linux only provides a fake environment to trick the application to work. It doesnt mean that it will run smoothly like it would in its normal environment. It's a hit or miss thing, sometimes it will work better, sometimes it wont. Keep that in mind so that it will be a reality check for you.

Ragnarok Online, MU can run on Wine. However Gameguard is really an issue, when entering the "ragnarok world environment". So the only way to make things work is to have a patched version of the client, run in Wine then you're good to go. SAme goes with MU. Cedega is good, but connectivity is an issue.

Yahoo messenger? No. You can try other linux alternatives but let me remind you that the interface is a bit off. You can try GYACH, GAIM-VV, or AYTTM. I prefer AYTTM despite it lacking voice chat.

Peace!

Hi Anthrax888, samura1, etal.

Can anyone verify this statement?

http://ragnaboards.yehey.com/index.php?showtopic=108636

"Just replace GLib with NPTL (Native Posix Threading Library) and then
run any Gameguard protected games on Linux using your favorite
Windozed Emulator like WinE, WinEX, Cedega or Point2Play!

The only downside is - it slows down a little..

But beware - replacing GLib is no an easy task for novice linux user!
You must still ask for some assistance from someone who really knows
Linux! Or else you'll be trashing your system if you do not do it
correctly!"

Thanks.

i believe he's using a fedora core distribution.

Hello everyone regarding this matter concerning this online game /rpg working in linux i have seen this topic that shows instructions how to configure this rpg game ones ( TOPIC: RAGNAROK THAT WORKS) but there is still a problem about backspace.
But now I badly need this I can't find it anywhere...I forgot the site.
Please post this site for us again.

thanks...

Hmmm. Looks like there's your solution there Antrax888. Have your team tried replicating Ragnarok's claimed success?

I'd like to try that one but i can't find that ragnarok that they claimed working. But still where trying are best to run that rpg game and other online game.

So far are problem in ragnarok is slow motion or what they call laagggg. But in Warcraft adding gateways is our problem thats all. Other are working so far so good.

Is there someone out there who has an idea to be able to work with that?: study:

hi Anthrax888,

Right now we're in the process of finalysing all the test for running online games in linux. you can email me at jpurcia2003@yahoo.com for more information. celno. 09225462148



thanks,

I think that you set-off warning bells when you started talking about GameGuard, or whatever-it-is. If you "patch" a license protection mechanism with the intent of circumventing a copyright owner's rights, you can be breaking the law. And a forum that permits the exchange of information on that topic can be seen as "an accessory." (The DMCA is poorly-written and very ugly.) So, this is why the moderators raised a voice of alarm. You may have simply intended a cute reference to a bad book, and I presume now that you did, but you did utter the phrase, "crack .. the code."

J.W.'s response is simply "due diligence." Required by law, you know. And I agree for now that the intentions of this thread appear to be "honorable." And certainly interesting. (Nothing taxes a computer, nor proves what it is really made of, like a good game!)

Anyway . . . .

It seems to me pretty obvious that game-designers need to make sure that their software runs on Linux platforms, e.g. through tools like Cedega, as well as "native Windows." Windows is expensive... and it's noticeably poorer at doing many things than Linux26-with-NPTL.

I'm not sure a response is needed here but let me clarify my earlier comments:

* my initial reaction after reading the original post was that it could be either some sort of "job offered" classified ad, or an attempt to get help in obtaining pirated software.

* because both of those topics are not permitted by the LQ Rules, I responded by expressing my concerns

* in the followups the OP made it clear that a.) this wasn't a job posting and b.) his/her intent was to look for help in migrating away from commercial software and over to Linux.

In other words, this thread is just another discussion on how to get certain apps to run under Linux, just like many other threads here at LQ. (Frankly, all the comments about piracy and crackdowns on unlicensed software turned out to be beside the point, and had they simply been omitted from the original post, there wouldn't have been a controversy in the first place.)

Now, in contrast, if the thread had started to include references to warez sites, or where to get a cracked key for commercial software, or how to defeat security measures, or contained comments along the lines of "I'll pay you $200 to help me out", etc, etc, then it would be a totally different story. But that's not the case here....

Fast forward, three years later, this issue is still in existence. Gameguard has not changed. This is the complaint in regards to the workability of those games:

Here was a post from Codeweavers site on things like xtrap or gameguard.

re: Crossover 7 Supported App Suggestion (Score: 3)
Date: 2008-03-21 12:47 Reply Quote Reply
I'd like to see Game Guard support.

If Crossover Games could support Game Guard, this would add SEVERAL games to the compatible list.

Cheers.

re: Crossover 7 Supported App Suggestion (Score: 3)
Date: 2008-03-21 12:58 Reply Quote Reply
I'm sorry, but GameGuard support is beyond our possibilities, the GameGuard authors will have to fix that.

The main reason is that GameGuard installs a rootkit driver into the Windows kernel which intercepts all disk accesses. If it finds that an application tries to read an executable of a GameGuard protected game, it verifies if this read is permitted, and if it does so it decrypts the read bytes. This rootkit has to work for the games to run. Next to this, it does several invasive checks and modifications of your system.

CrossOver implements a Windows kernel for some copy protection drivers, but since MacOS/Linux handle the disk reads the rootkit driver cannot do its job. The only way to do this would be to load the rootkit into the MacOS kernel, which is something MacOS and Linux try hard to prevent. Even if we got it working, you don't want a Windows rootkit in your MacOS or Linux kernel.

So if you want to play a GameGuard protected game in CrossOver, you have two options

1) Contact your game vendor and ask them to stop using GameGuard
2) Contact nProtect and ask them to stop rootkitting your system

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gameguard


We are not making any head-way in these games as this is unprotested. Users need to be wiser. Boycotting of these games maybe the only true answer. I see why some may want to try and hack the codes to work well. Especially for cool games like 2moons.

Yes, i agree with the above.

There is a linux port for eve online.

http://www.eve-online.com/download/linux.asp

MU-online supposedly works.
http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iAppId=1873

You might find some information here:
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...-games-282231/


I don't know about the rest.

Make sure you have the latest version of wine

If you need gameguard for those - too bad.
After a quick google for game-guard, I would refuse to install it. If your business depends on it, that really sucks.

may i make the suggestion tht you will obtain the best mileage from software that is intended to work on linux.

unreal series
quake series
...
as well as other open source games.

One of the main reasons I switched to Linux was to get away from stuff like this. Why would someone want to willingly rootkit their computer? I don't know why software developers think they have the right to mess with key system files. Antipiracy technologies don't work. All they do is annoy legit users and encourage cracking. When a pirated copy of an application runs better than the legit copy, you know something's wrong. I'd avoid these games and find some native Linux games.
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